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    Three years ago AMD told me about two architectures that would be the future of the company: Bobcat and Bulldozer. Here are some excerpts from an article I wrote after that meeting with AMD.

    “Due out in the first half of 2009, AMD's Bulldozer core is the true revolutionary successor to the K8 architecture. While Barcelona and Shanghai are both evolutionary improvements to the current core, Bulldozer is the first ground-up redesign since the K7.”

    “If Bulldozer is the architecture that will compete with Nehalem, Bobcat is what will compete with Silverthorne. Bobcat is yet another ground up design from AMD, also due out in the 2009 timeframe, but it will address a more power constrained portion of the market. Systems that require a 1 - 10W TDP will use Bobcat, while Bulldozer is limited to the 10 - 100W range (obviously with some overlap between the two). “

    Well, 2009 didn’t happen. Nor will 2010. Bobcat is the closest with production in Q4 2010 and system availability in Q1 2011. Bulldozer is strictly 2011. The long road to a major redesign isn’t unusual and although we’re no where near the point of measuring performance of these parts, we’re getting closer.
    AMD has Bobcat and Bulldozer silicon back in its labs and things apparently look good. Later today at Hot Chips 22, AMD will present further details on both of its next generation architectures. What we have here now is a sneak peak of what AMD is going to unveil at the conference later today.

    The Three Chip Roadmap


    While AMD is committed to a two architecture roadmap going forward (Bobcat and Bulldozer) we’ll see three fairly different chips addressing the various market segments in 2011.
    Bobcat will do low end/low power (think netbooks and nettops), Llano will do mainstream notebooks (e.g. MacBook, HP Envy equivalent) and Bulldozer will be used for high end desktops and servers. Llano actually uses a Phenom II derived core so it’s technically a third architecture but I’d expect its market to eventually be split between Bobcat and Bulldozer based designs.
    I’m going to start with Bobcat first as it’s the closest to production.
    Full Article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3863/a...hot-chips-2010

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    I want to know how much, haha. Just got a second job and am looking forward to building a souped up mega machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    I want to know how much, haha. Just got a second job and am looking forward to building a souped up mega machine.
    I can't be too sure,but I don't think it will exceed USD500 based on comparision with AMD current top cpu,8 cores is definitely more fun than 4 or 6 cores
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    [QUOTE=Lil' ˝ Dead;55217]Video up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs1CxuUrpc[/QUOT
    Damn,the Bulldozer can only use an AM3+ socket & its not backward compatible with AM3 sockets,damn it AMD
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    there is no AM3+ that I am aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    there is no AM3+ that I am aware of.
    Not now,that is the new socket type intended for bulldozer core cpu,Ihere are a few links to prove my point
    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=19433
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3865/a...tations-online
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...essors_preview
    http://www.techpowerup.com/129392/AM...hitecture.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff73 View Post
    Your first two links contradict your point, but your next two links agree with it. Until I see something official from AMD, I still view it as speculation, but I am willing to believe that it is likely that we will need a new motherboard to run Bulldozer, esp. with the integration of the Northbridge into the chip itself and with a new 1866 Mhz four-channel memory controller. So in a year, if Bulldozer is worth it, I would need to buy a new motherboard ($150?), new CPU ($250 for a four core (2x dual core modules; $500?+ for a eight core) and new RAM ($200? for 8GB of 1866Mhz or 2000 Mhz RAM in 4x2GB matched modules). And then add-on a new graphics card because by then mine will be woefully inadequate? Sheesh... like 2/3 of a new computer. At least my case, fans, PSU, blu-ray and monitors will last me for quite a while.


    Quote Originally Posted by dailytech.com
    Bulldozer CPUs will primarily retail in the desktop sector in 1 to 4 module packages (for a total of 2 to 8 threads/integer cores) on the AM3 socket. A 16-core G34 socket variant dubbed Interlagos and a C32 socket 8-core model dubbed Valencia will launch for servers.
    The slideshows from AMD on Anandtech say nothing about the socket for the Bulldozer chip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardocp
    I am not going to get excited about this processor till I am holding one in my hand and have a working AM3+ socket motherboard that can fully take advantage of all the Bulldozer processor features.
    The writer from Hardocp didn't mention AM3 socket motherboards and whether or not they are compatible with Bulldozer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardocp
    I am going to add a list of information I gleaned from AMD when we were presented the slide deck. In all honesty, AMD did not have a lot to say about Bulldozer beyond the slides and the engineer I was talking to was purely dedicated to server. But with AMD, we see the server parts "slide down" into the desktop arena with minimal features removed that are generally not important to desktop any way.
    and
    Quote Originally Posted by techpowerup.com
    At the chip-level, there's a large L3 cache, a northbridge that integrates the PCI-Express root complex, and an integrated memory controller. Since the northbridge is completely on the chip, the processor does not need to deal with the rest of the system with a HyperTransport link. It connects to the chipset (which is now relegated to a southbridge, much like Intel's Ibex Peak), using A-Link Express, which like DMI, is essentially a PCI-Express link. It is important to note that all modules and extra-modular components are present on the same piece of silicon die. Because of this design change, Bulldozer processors will come in totally new packages that are not backwards compatible with older AMD sockets such as AM3 or AM2(+).
    also two more quotes that I found that support what you say:
    Quote Originally Posted by lostcircuits.com
    Backwards Compatibility
    All Bobcat and Bulldozer enabled motherboards based on the AM3+ socket will be backwards compatible with earlier AMD AM3 CPUs but AM3+ CPUs will not be a drop-in replacement for existing processors in existing motherboards
    Quote Originally Posted by pcmag.com
    AMD also told us that it will introduce a new AM3+ socket for consumer versions of Bulldozer CPUs. AM2 and AM3 processors will work in the AM3+ socket, but Bulldozer chips will not work in non-AM3+ motherboards.

    People were told stuff by AMD that is not showing up in official channels. I want to see AMD say something official.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post
    Your first two links contradict your point, but your next two links agree with it. Until I see something official from AMD, I still view it as speculation, but I am willing to believe that it is likely that we will need a new motherboard to run Bulldozer, esp. with the integration of the Northbridge into the chip itself and with a new 1866 Mhz four-channel memory controller. So in a year, if Bulldozer is worth it, I would need to buy a new motherboard ($150?), new CPU ($250 for a four core (2x dual core modules; $500?+ for a eight core) and new RAM ($200? for 8GB of 1866Mhz or 2000 Mhz RAM in 4x2GB matched modules). And then add-on a new graphics card because by then mine will be woefully inadequate? Sheesh... like 2/3 of a new computer. At least my case, fans, PSU, blu-ray and monitors will last me for quite a while.




    The slideshows from AMD on Anandtech say nothing about the socket for the Bulldozer chip.

    The writer from Hardocp didn't mention AM3 socket motherboards and whether or not they are compatible with Bulldozer.

    However:


    and


    also two more quotes that I found that support what you say:





    People were told stuff by AMD that is not showing up in official channels. I want to see AMD say something official.
    Well,I have a gut feeling that AMD will want to play safe with bulldozer launch just like 920/940 being AM2+ while 955/965 being AM3,hopefully it turns out this way with the initial models of bulldozer being AM3 while the later being AM3+,IIRC,the AM3+ chipset is AMD9xx
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