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    Default "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Looks like AMD is really killing off the AM3+ FX series line and focusing on the APU line up going forward like we had all speculated.

    http://www.techpowerup.com/195355/vi...s-roadmap.html


    We'd feared something like this would happen for some time now, but leaked AMD product roadmaps confirmed it that AMD FX "Vishera" is the last line of CPUs from AMD. The company will only focus on APUs from here onward, and at the very most, one could expect CPU core counts to go up from their current quad-core stale-meat since A-series "Llano," which will continue into the 2014 A-Series "Kaveri," too.

    The alleged AMD roadmap slide leaked to the web by ProHardver.hu points out that socket AM3+ "Vishera" will exist on AMD's product stack for as far as AMD's eye can see - looking deep into even 2015. Unless AMD is planning on hanging its towel with AM3+, it wouldn't mark its roadmap slide out in this way. 2015 will see the introduction of "Carrizo," an APU that succeeds "Kaveri," which will be based on future-generation "Excavator" CPU micro-architecture, and a future-generation GPU architecture, along with full HSA programming model implementation. "Kabini" will have its spell running into mid-2014, at which point "Beema" will succeed it.

    Unless AMD is planning on 6-core, and 8-core APUs with "Carrizo," (we know that "Kaveri" is neither,) the roadmap reveals that AMD has given up on making processors that are pricier than $150. The company could focus its client products division onto APUs and GPUs, while multi-core processors could be kept alive by the enterprise products division under the Opteron banner, although we've not seen roadmaps to back that theory.


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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Well that just blow's. I was going to do a AMD build. I will stay with my INTEL Thank you.

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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Yeah I knew it was coming

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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    so then the 9050 is as good as it will ever get for an amd cpu without integration?

    edit : just remembered opterons
    gues this might pan out for some value in the long run
    id like to see a 12 core 8 gig chip

    hey if im looking 2 years down the road i might as well dream big right?
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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    Well that just blow's. I was going to do a AMD build. I will stay with my INTEL Thank you.
    So what's wrong with an Intel build? (as long as you can afford to build it?)
    I still plan to do an APU build sometime soon. I want to see how the new APUs stack up to the current line up.
    An A10-6800 would probably work well for what I plan to use it for,.........

    Quote Originally Posted by SamCR3 View Post
    Bummer.
    The writing has been on the wall for a while now, but yeah, it sucks that a whole market segment is losing it's competitive edge.
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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    personally i would stay away from Haswell. but this is not good. since AMD is giving up Intel can now relax and not make much improvement on there next gen cpu's and get the same old stuff with all the heat problems and charge more!
    You don't know me and that's the way i like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeBlack View Post
    personally i would stay away from Haswell. but this is not good. since AMD is giving up Intel can now relax and not make much improvement on there next gen cpu's and get the same old stuff with all the heat problems and charge more!
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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    So what's wrong with an Intel build? (as long as you can afford to build it?)
    I still plan to do an APU build sometime soon. I want to see how the new APUs stack up to the current line up.
    An A10-6800 would probably work well for what I plan to use it for,.........



    The writing has been on the wall for a while now, but yeah, it sucks that a whole market segment is losing it's competitive edge.
    Nothing wrong with INTEL. I love INTEL.I was going to do a AMD build for the hell of it.I I have the AMD build that I did with the POW/MIA build.

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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

    Well so far I would have to say everyone is jumping the gun. Just because they are not making something for the AM3+ socket doesn't mean they have given up on the top end of the market. Just because it will have integrated video doesnt mean it wont be able to compete with Intel. AMD has been saying everything will be an APU forever now. They didn't say they will only be making mid range apus. AMDs road map has changed 4 times in the last year so this "leak" doesnt mean much to me.

    Has anyone thought that maybe AMD is consolidating the top end product lines? Opterons will be for desktop, workstation and server lines? The current opterons are already APUS. All they would need to do is update the chipset to support Xfire and a few feature we enjoy now. Possibly have dual socket boards with Xfire support. Would you switch for your i7 or 8350 for a 16core opteron? This approach would save AMD millions in R&D and production cost. I also doubt they would have gone on that hiring spree pulling in some of the best minds just to stop making top end products.

    People have been trying to sell the death of AMD for the last 10 years. They are still here so relax and I am sure at some point AMD will reveal the game plan. They have been very secretive since Rory Reid took over. The amount of credible leaks have diminished a lot. This roadmap could have been 1 of many possible road maps AMD was looking into.

    Now with all of that said. If AMD is only making Mid range apus I will be bailing on them quickly. lol I need more power then even an A10-6800k can provide. I have one. Its a great chip but it cant hold up to my usage on my main rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamCR3 View Post
    Exactly. Monopolies are good for no one but the company that has it.
    Intel may be able to jack up prices for the same old crap and they're already too high as it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeeBlack View Post
    personally i would stay away from Haswell. but this is not good. since AMD is giving up Intel can now relax and not make much improvement on there next gen cpu's and get the same old stuff with all the heat problems and charge more!
    We already know that they will do so if they can. I remember when the AMD Thunderbird CPUs brought Intel to a screeching halt years ago. It was incredible how fast they lowered their prices. There have been a few times in the past when AMD handed Intel their asses on a platter in the performance sector, but then ~they~ overcharged as aggressively as Intel does when they're on the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Well so far I would have to say everyone is jumping the gun. Just because they are not making something for the AM3+ socket doesn't mean they have given up on the top end of the market. Just because it will have integrated video doesnt mean it wont be able to compete with Intel. AMD has been saying everything will be an APU forever now. They didn't say they will only be making mid range apus. AMDs road map has changed 4 times in the last year so this "leak" doesnt mean much to me.

    Has anyone thought that maybe AMD is consolidating the top end product lines? Opterons will be for desktop, workstation and server lines? The current opterons are already APUS. All they would need to do is update the chipset to support Xfire and a few feature we enjoy now. Possibly have dual socket boards with Xfire support. Would you switch for your i7 or 8350 for a 16core opteron? This approach would save AMD millions in R&D and production cost. I also doubt they would have gone on that hiring spree pulling in some of the best minds just to stop making top end products.

    People have been trying to sell the death of AMD for the last 10 years. They are still here so relax and I am sure at some point AMD will reveal the game plan. They have been very secretive since Rory Reid took over. The amount of credible leaks have diminished a lot. This roadmap could have been 1 of many possible road maps AMD was looking into.

    Now with all of that said. If AMD is only making Mid range apus I will be bailing on them quickly. lol I need more power then even an A10-6800k can provide. I have one. Its a great chip but it cant hold up to my usage on my main rig.
    I'm fully in support of AMD and I want to see them survive. They have to be able to compete in several segments of the market though. I think that their APUs are giving them the cash infusion that they need to develop new ideas into marketable products, but they need to speed it up a little.

    I have some speedy Intel boxes that will play my games as fast as an old man (yeah, me,...) can react to them. (and my FX-8350 is good too)
    But there is a market for mid range PCs and AMD seems to be competitive in that segment. I hope that they do have a plan for top tier CPU's in the works.

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    I'd like to see an 8 core APU that competes with a top tier Intel chip and will support dual graphics with a high end AMD GPU. Now that would be cool. I can dream.
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    I'm fully in support of AMD and I want to see them survive. They have to be able to compete in several segments of the market though. I think that their APUs are giving them the cash infusion that they need to develop new ideas into marketable products, but they need to speed it up a little.

    I have some speedy Intel boxes that will play my games as fast as an old man (yeah, me,...) can react to them. (and my FX-8350 is good too)
    But there is a market for mid range PCs and AMD seems to be competitive in that segment. I hope that they do have a plan for top tier CPU's in the works.

    Agreed. They do well in the low and mid range market. They are also expanding into mobile with X86 based APUs and ARM based APUs in the future. Soon we will see ARM based Server chips as well. So they are doing themselves justice and based on the latest financial reports it has paid off. The are in the black again. The question we all want to know is where do they go from here. I can say the entire market will suffer if there is no competition in the Top-teirs. We see how Intel treated its customer base with its last 2 releases. AMD had nothing to rival Sandy Bridge. When it came time for a new cycle, amd still wasn't up to it so Intel released a CPU with 5% improvements and ran hotter. Still no Comp from AMD. Now we have this hot box non overclocking piece of trash called Haswell. Since AMD isnt releasing anything for the nest year or 2 then we are boned. INtel is going to shove it up our arse. Haswell 2.0 Even hotter and lose 5% in performance! hahaha
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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

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    Agreed. They do well in the low and mid range market. They are also expanding into mobile with X86 based APUs and ARM based APUs in the future. Soon we will see ARM based Server chips as well. So they are doing themselves justice and based on the latest financial reports it has paid off. The are in the black again. The question we all want to know is where do they go from here. I can say the entire market will suffer if there is no competition in the Top-teirs. We see how Intel treated its customer base with its last 2 releases. AMD had nothing to rival Sandy Bridge. When it came time for a new cycle, amd still wasn't up to it so Intel released a CPU with 5% improvements and ran hotter. Still no Comp from AMD. Now we have this hot box non overclocking piece of trash called Haswell. Since AMD isnt releasing anything for the nest year or 2 then we are boned. INtel is going to shove it up our arse. Haswell 2.0 Even hotter and lose 5% in performance! hahaha
    Hot box, non-performing piece of trash? You know that we have the tools to mitigate the heat they produce. You don't have to OC Haswell to have some damn good performance either. They do that at stock settings, so I'd not call them trash.
    You're a little biased, but then we already know this about you,.....(and you even admit it)

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    Also, amd owns the console market now. With all three companies using their hardware in gaming systems, I can't imagine them not trying to get back into high end competition, and risk the threat of intel or nvidia trying to jump into that market on the next console release. Not to mention, I'm sure that helps their funding as well.

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    Default Re: "Vishera" End Of The Line for AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap (TechPowerUp)

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    Also, amd owns the console market now. With all three companies using their hardware in gaming systems, I can't imagine them not trying to get back into high end competition, and risk the threat of intel or nvidia trying to jump into that market on the next console release. Not to mention, I'm sure that helps their funding as well.
    I'm hoping that this extra money will allow them to innovate and surprise us all with something new. APUs were a nice surprise when they came out.

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