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    Hello everyone. First post. Kinda going to "show off" some pictures of a recent de-lidding of my FX-9590. This was my second attempt at de-lidding this part number. The first one suffered damage to the PCB as I tried to cut the glue around the edges. The particular razor I used is a shaving double edged razor. Super sharp. I had no idea I cut the PCB until after I had lapped the core and tried to post it up.... Cpu lite on the Crosshair Formula-Z sat good and steady, at that point I knew it died... bummer.

    So I purchased another FX-9590 and did some testing in an average environment, in a case and without any outstanding cheats IE chilling or overkill.

    Running rig specs -

    FX-9590
    Asus Formula-Z
    Corsair 1067mhz
    GTX 760 NV
    Antec CP series 1000 watter
    Intel SSD
    some storage and some fans
    Case is SilverStone TJ07

    Some specs and information for ya -

    Tools used.

    Mini torch butane lighter.
    Heat Sink (helps prevent pin loss)
    Razor (cut the glue around edges)
    1500 Grit wet sanding paper
    2000 grit sand paper
    3000 grit sand paper
    PSU (to run fan - jumped)
    FAN (to cool straight after de-lid)
    Vice Grips (to hold IHS plate for removal)
    LUCK - hope I got some! lol

    De-lid Order

    step one- Cut the Glue around the edges
    step two- mount Cpu on heat sink
    step three- vice grip IHS plate
    step four- heat
    step five- remove IHS plate around 50-60 seconds of heat via pulling vice grips straight up
    step six- Cool the chip immediately
    Step seven- Lap the Silicon
    Step eight- tightly mount to mother board (must be water cooled)
    Step Nine- apply thermal interface material (Antec Formula 7)
    Step ten- moment of truth... testing

    Processor Information:

    Name AMD FX-9590
    Codename Vishera
    Specification AMD FX(tm)-9590 Eight-Core Processor
    Package Socket AM3+ (942)
    CPUID F.2.0
    Extended CPUID 15.2
    Core Stepping OR-C0
    Technology 32 nm
    TDP Limit 219.8 Watts
    Core Speed 1404.7 MHz
    Multiplier x Bus Speed 7.0 x 200.7 MHz
    Rated Bus speed 2608.7 MHz
    Stock frequency 4700 MHz


    # of P-States 7
    P-State FID 0x22 - VID 0x02 - IDD 18 (25.00x - 1.525 V)
    P-State FID 0x1F - VID 0x02 - IDD 18 (23.50x - 1.525 V)
    P-State FID 0x1D - VID 0x02 - IDD 18 (22.50x - 1.525 V)
    P-State FID 0x18 - VID 0x0B - IDD 14 (20.00x - 1.412 V)
    P-State FID 0x12 - VID 0x15 - IDD 11 (17.00x - 1.287 V)
    P-State FID 0x8 - VID 0x25 - IDD 7 (12.00x - 1.087 V)
    P-State FID 0x10C - VID 0x35 - IDD 4 (7.00x - 0.887 V)


    To make a long story short, and hopefully answer quick questions.... The de-lid was a success on the second attempt with an Average drop in Cpu temps of 10c. I directly place the water block right to the silicone.

    The IHS plate is Not re-used. I use Antec Formula 7 Diamond Nano thermal interface compound. It's a good paste and easily found for me at the local BestBuy which is good cause I hate waiting for paste in the snail mail lol.

    Well any how, I suppose enough of the letters that make words into sentences.... Here's some pictures for your eyeballs instead!!












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    Default Re: FX De-lid and overclocking FX-9590

    About overclocking the FX-9590 beast -

    I do a quite a bit of reading about this particular processor and the woes of trying to overclock it. I can attest that this processor is one of the most difficult to really overclock on ambient every day cooling (custom water loop required)..

    The only pointers I can give to an individual who wants to OC all 8 cores at a steady 4.8ghz for example is to use the Pstate voltage of 1.5250v. It'll be perfectly stable as long as you can cool it. Keeping Cpu temps (not necc core temps) in check and under 65c is going to give the best results. During testing with the processor at stock, I found out that it likes to throttle at 65c CPU (socket) temps. This is how I decided for overclocking, this would be the threshold for anyone trying to push clocks beyond stock frequencies.

    One of the most major complaints about this processor is the "hangs". It just stops. No errors, BSODs not really an issue, just a hang. I discovered that this is a typical AMD undervolt hang. While I tested this over and over there's only two ways around it. One pump 1.5250v or use some sort of chilling so that lower volts can be used. Other than that, there's really not much that can be done.

    The only issue with this one is heat. Over come this, and skys the limit.... just as any FX processor would be.

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    Default Re: FX De-lid and overclocking FX-9590

    so the with and without
    delidding
    did it help lower temps as your goal desire pursuit?
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    Default Re: FX De-lid and overclocking FX-9590

    Yessir, a decent average temp drop on the Cpu (socket temp) of roughly 10c.

    Mounting is critical, sometimes taking 3 tries for a good seating. If your familiar with socket A and such processors of it's time without IHS plates, many times a no post may occur and even damage to the processor itself.

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    So, if I understood well, you have the de-lided FX 9590, OCed to 4.8GHz (all 8 cores), with 1.525V of VCore. Would be great now, if you could post some performance benchmarks.

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    Good stuff there. The only disappointment I can see is only being able to get 4.8 ghz out of it instead of an even 5.0. But your de-lidding process was awesome and you can only do so much with the architecture given you!
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    I actually run this chip stock most of the time if you fellas want honesty.

    Why?

    Simply because performance gains are so little and it's my daily gamer. Stuffed into a SilverStone TJ07 case. 120.2 x2 rads in front and on top. 120Mm vrm fan and no real special cooling.

    The one major problem with this set up is it will heat soak my loop hitting 65c cpu socket temps causing what we all refer to as throttling. This while running stock, making overclocking not virtually but in reality impossible to actually "overclock".

    So I generally leave it alone green on and enjoy some fast ram speeds.

    Then to give it some pep, Ill oc the turbo to 5.2ghz to help keep windows snappy and single threaded programs running quickly. The 500mhz increase is notable.

    Since I delidded, typically even stress testing cpu temps at stock are down from over 65c to 51c. Sometimes more sometimes less.

    After many years of this stuff, I find that benchmarks are repetitive and dont prove to suit my own personal needs.... Besides the fact its AMD s fastest chip right out of the box, placing it between a 3770k and 4770k at stock vs stock.( cinebench 64 rendering) Nothing to prove, just trying to get them daily temps down on my gamer.

    In the future, I do plan to bench it hard. Have access to plenty of LN2, DICE, and plenty of other forms of chilling.

    Hopefully you guys get where Im coming from.... Its fast. At the same clocks as any one else rig, it makes identical scores. So the point isn't about benching it, but actually being able to cool it lroperly in an average ever day environment.

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    Here's a WPrime while I tested this rig on the bench before it became a gamer rig. Before de-lid liquid cooled (tap to drain method). Some 5600mhz---


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    Hi ShrimpBrime, I'm interested to delidding a FX 9590 too. I have some questions to you, first how do you cut the GLUE around the CPU CORE without removing any SMD capacitor?, I ask you this, because this is the mayor risk when you delid a soldered CPU. In the past I delidded a FX 8350, but it was damaged due to almost 6 capacitors were out; I followed your process and the IHS plate was easy removed with the torch. Can I use a hot knife to carefully remove the glue?, I know that the knife has to cut only 3 mm no more to cut the glue without touching the capacitors. My plan is to delid the FX 9590, and use a liquid-metal ultra on the core-die and reposition a lapped IHS with new glue to test the temps. The other question is: Could I use a Phytoya TIM remover to remove the solder without lapping?, or use flush and a soldering iron to remove it?.

    Thank you!!

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    Hey Shrimpy!
    If there is anyone that has mastered getting the top off one of these chips he's the go-to-guy for it and he will help as he can.

    Since he hasn't been here for awhile I'll pass along someone has a question for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickness View Post
    Hi ShrimpBrime, I'm interested to delidding a FX 9590 too. I have some questions to you, first how do you cut the GLUE around the CPU CORE without removing any SMD capacitor?, I ask you this, because this is the mayor risk when you delid a soldered CPU. In the past I delidded a FX 8350, but it was damaged due to almost 6 capacitors were out; I followed your process and the IHS plate was easy removed with the torch. Can I use a hot knife to carefully remove the glue?, I know that the knife has to cut only 3 mm no more to cut the glue without touching the capacitors. My plan is to delid the FX 9590, and use a liquid-metal ultra on the core-die and reposition a lapped IHS with new glue to test the temps. The other question is: Could I use a Phytoya TIM remover to remove the solder without lapping?, or use flush and a soldering iron to remove it?.

    Thank you!!
    The liquid metal is not going to transfer heat as well as the solder does because the solder actually embeds into the silicon. I've always used water block to die after a de-lid and I suggest this in all situations. Liquid metal is great for Intel chips that use only TIM under the IHS plate and you see good results from it.

    You can cut the glue with any method you like, but remember if you dig into the Cpu PCB you may kill that chip.

    I have seen IHS plates removed with a clothing iron. But since you've removed an IHS plate with the torch, this would be the better way to go since you've done it once already and sounds like it was not a problem.

    It's tough to justify a de-lid on a 9590. It's expensive to start with and it's a heat pump. If you don't have super tight and even clamping force, it is likely that cpu will not post.

    Another thing about a de-lid on FX cpu is where you watch temps. Typically the Socket or CPU temp is higher than the cores. After a de-lid it will be the other way around and in most cases gives a little more head room for overclocking on average from all the chips I've done gaining 100mhz.

    Do not re-use the IHS plate. It will do you no good.

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    Why do you need your voltage that high? I've been running mine at 4.9Ghz @ 1.48V foralmost 4 years now.

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    would it be a good idea to never put the lid on it again, just TIM and a water block?
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    Default Re: FX De-lid and overclocking FX-9590

    Quote Originally Posted by calemus View Post
    would it be a good idea to never put the lid on it again, just TIM and a water block?
    Yes, there is no guarantee you'd get the same contact between the CPU itself and it's lid every time, like it was when we were delidding our 939's way back when.
    You'd also need the same basics, a cooler that will work with a naked core CPU. The ones I've popped the top on have been good without the lid and Shrimpy not long ago sent me a delidded FX 4300, it runs fine setup as described. Set my block on, made sure it was sitting correctly and cranked on it, temps were as good as could be expected from it.
    Even the Opteron 165 I have that's a total freak of a chip and hold most of the records at the bot in it's class does well without it's top, in fact I've never ran it with one since I've had it and it just goes.

    BTW he's holding an in-house comp over at Warp 9 for giving the 9590 away to one of his teammates, he said I was eligible to win it too but I won't be beating the guy currently in the lead (Macsbeach98).

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