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    Default FX 9590 Cooler?

    OK...since I blew up the FX 8370.... I needed something to put in the ASRock 970A-G/3.1 Motherboard, so...well...I took another trip to MicroCenter, and found an FX 9590 on sale for $179.00 coincidentally exactly the same price as a new FX-8370.

    Now...I'm VERY tempted to try the Wraith on this thing, but I'm also very tempted by the Swiftech H220 X2, which I saw at Microcenter as well. Not being an AMD guy...the Wattage this processor dissipates scares me...LOL.

    Suggestions?

    S.

    A custom loop isn't out of the question either...it'll just take longer to acquire.

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    the chip NEEDS the ga990FX gamming MoBo
    i have has a list of boards on it that died

    if you have a ridiculously tight socket clamp on, with the worlds best TiM you MIGHT be able to get away with a 2 fan AiO
    as long as you have it LOCKED to 4.7, and never let it flex
    i strongly encourage a 3 fan rad with cougar fans
    i have also brought down the temp a few degrees by putting a fan pulling heat off of the back of the board,, right where the socket bracket it, blowing out of the case

    this chip is a black hole for power, and it spits out heat in responce
    if you let it throttle up IT WILL and it's not pretty if your not equipped and ready
    if you have the setup, your system can run smooth, easy, and quiet as a summer breeze at 5.0 gig
    if you need push pull fans sets, high fan rpm cranks, and a mess of noise then your pushing your hardware to hard.
    this chip is a beast. give it the road space it needs.
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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    Thanks Calemus.

    I've purchased 2 Mo-Bos', and the First one died on an 8370. I'm willing to try the 9590 on the ASROCK, or go replace the 9590 with another 8370 (because I'm not keen on spending $400 to cool a $179 processor, that likely doesn't perform as well as my 3 year old i7).

    The 8370 seemed pretty snappy, and at 125 Watts was easily managed by the Wraith. I've read some of the other threads on the 9590 (and your previous comments about the ga990FX), and your suggestions make me wonder whether it's worth bothering with.

    I _could_ do all those things, but it seems like a good way to throw bad money after bad...LOL

    The ASROCK Claims compatibility with the 9590, but now I'm a-feared it ain't so. <sigh>

    Humph. I'll do some more reading and see what I can see. Thanks for the tips!

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Thanks Calemus.

    I've purchased 2 Mo-Bos', and the First one died on an 8370. I'm willing to try the 9590 on the ASROCK, or go replace the 9590 with another 8370 (because I'm not keen on spending $400 to cool a $179 processor, that likely doesn't perform as well as my 3 year old i7).

    The 8370 seemed pretty snappy, and at 125 Watts was easily managed by the Wraith. I've read some of the other threads on the 9590 (and your previous comments about the ga990FX), and your suggestions make me wonder whether it's worth bothering with.

    I _could_ do all those things, but it seems like a good way to throw bad money after bad...LOL

    The ASROCK Claims compatibility with the 9590, but now I'm a-feared it ain't so. <sigh>

    Humph. I'll do some more reading and see what I can see. Thanks for the tips!

    Scott
    The 9590 is definitely not worth the aggravation. Go with the 8370.

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    also consider hardware hounds experiance with the asrock 9 extreme, "the" asrock 9590 board, it's not what it should be
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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    as for this "ASRock 970A-G/3.1" it slipped past my radar, and that is amazing
    but
    personally i am done with asrock. no more. kaput.
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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    Thanks guys. In addition to your advice, I did some digging on the Internet, and your opinions are held pretty much everywhere, except by some VERY dedicated AMD Fanboys.

    It's interesting, I've avoided ASRock for years, ever since ASUS originally spun them off as a brand dedicated to selling lower cost products (OEM really I think). But I used one in my Windows box, and I was pretty pleased. I still wouldn't go to them as a first choice, but in this case, they don't have to do much to exceed the performance of my first choice brand. MSI is the one that went PFFFT. Which still shocks me when I think about it.

    But it would seem unwise to risk another CPU/Motherboard combo by throwing the 9590 on it. I'm pretty sure, at this point, that I'm going to return the 9590. The cost versus benefit on it makes no real sense. I'd be happy to Watercool it, but spending upwards of $450 on a decent cooling loop just seems ludicrous considering this is a machine (for the most part) thrown together out of parts I had laying around, and for which I have no real use. Really, it's just a testbed to make doing reviews easier (less risky)...honestly, if I didn't have the MB's already, I'd be tempted to simply buy a decent Intel board, and an i3 or i5 to throw on it. But, I have 2 AMD Motherboards nowl...so...gotta put something on one of them!

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    I've used several ASRock boards, and found them to be the best of the second tier. If you are building on a tight budget, they are definitely the go-to. But, end of the day, they are second tier boards and their components point that out. When you start looking at their higher priced offerings, it makes no sense to go with them. Though, I do get a kick out of a product with "Fatal1ty" and "Professional" in the same name....talk about an oxymoron.

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    Hey Scott, I'm working on a 9590 review right now and let me re-iterate some things and add a couple of details. First, the 9590 is super annoying to overclock. I'm sure I could eventually figure it out more precisely, but essentially, this chip is SUPER hard to overclock without throttling. It's hard to run at stock without throttling. I finally put it in my Crosshair V Formula Z, an 80mm fan directly on the VRM heatsink and an open window next to the chassis to keep the temps under control at 4.9. I typically run Vcores around 1.575 with my overclocks which seems to be the limit of even a Swiftech H320 X2, and still barely kept the throttles under control. Here's the flip side. Same vcore with a 4.7 OC on my BAD 8350, VRMs never throttle and my core temps stay right in the mid 50s on average during stress testing. It could be auto settings, it could be the chip itself, but for whatever reason, the 9590 destroys my heat limits far worse than an 8350 does. The 8370 will act exactly the same as the 8350 but you'll have a better chance of getting a nicely binned chip.

    Now as far as motherboards are concerned. The best overclocker bar none is the Asrock 990FX. Why am I using the Crosshair you might ask? With some direct airflow, the larger heatsink and fins on the Crosshair let me push the 9590 higher, but I would never do this for day to day use. My 8350, with a good Swiftech cooler is much easier to overclock without throttling on the asrock extreme9 than the Asus board. Asus has some abnormally low, AND ANNOYING, throttle limits. I also figured out my past problems with both boards were mostly due to a Raid 0 setup I was using. Since I've ditched the Raid, I'm in love with my Asrock board. I still hate that Asus board. It's such a pain to get right. The new Gigabyte board is the most amazing bang for the buck. It overclocks on almost the same level as the other 2, but the NVMe support and updated shiny BIOS are just fantastic. On newegg the thing runs for $135 which is phenomenal for such a heavy hitter. You do lose backwards compatibility with your PCI slots, but most of us don't use the older ones anyways.

    Hope this info helps. Yes, I currently own all three board with 2 8350 chips and the 9590 review chip. I would've offered to sell you one at a good discount but I owe my video editor an upgrade so I can't this time. Feel free to ask me any other questions and OMGosh yes, get the Swiftech unit. That company is just nailing it when it comes to AIO units!

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    I have the FX-9590 CPU here. It's installed in a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Revision 2.0 mainboard.

    I'm using the AMD supplied AIO cooler with two Cougar PWM fans in Push/Pull.
    Temps are totally under control and it's perfectly reliable. It games well too.

    As for OC'ing this chip, it's a pain in the ass. If I leave it on stock settings, it's golden. (4.7-5.0 turbo)
    I bought another board for it, (Gigabyte 990FX-Gaming) but haven't installed it yet.

    OC it and it will crash. But I have my i7-4770K running at 4.7GHz without issues. (up from 3.5GHz)

    The AMD-supplied AIO has a thicker radiator and my two Cougar PWM fans on it do a great job of cooling it down.

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    Default Re: FX 9590 Cooler?

    OK.

    Decided to return the 9590, and picked up a replacement 8370.

    This time, I'm running on the ASRock 970A-G/3.1 (BIOS Version 1.20).

    So far, the ASRock has impressed me. The UEFI interface is slick. I'm not sure I like the way they let you control the PWM fans, but otherwise it's pretty slick.

    When installing the 8370 this time, I decided to use some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Paste. Perhaps I'll see some temp improvements. So far, I've been running the Handbrake test for 11.5 minutes so far, with all 8 cores pegged at 90-100%, and CoreTemp is reporting 47-48C CPU temp. SpeedFan is reporting the same thing although it reports it as "Core 48C" "CPU 61C". ASRock's Extreme Tuning utility reports "CPU Temperature" at 61C as well. Sadly, Core Temp's Logging function seemed to fail me for this test, so I can't compare all of it's temp registers to what the various apps are reporting. I suspect the ASRock software is actually reporting the temp I'm concerned with however.

    At Idle, the ASRock utility is reporting the CPU to be @ 37C, with the M/B Temp to be 24C. Ambient in the room is roughly 20-21C (69-70F), so the MB temp would seem to be in-line with expectations I guess.

    Suffice it to say, the system lives once again, although I did have to call Microsoft to get a new product key, since my last key went with the Dead MSI Motherboard...lol

    I am disinclined to blow this thing up again, so I think I'll leave it at stock temps until/if I WC it...

    MSI has received my old MB, and I'm interested to see if they'll give me some sort of evaluation report of it's condition...(I doubt it, but we'll see).

    Thanks to everyone for the advice on the 9590!

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    just a general rule of thumb for PC builders
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    Quote Originally Posted by calemus View Post
    just a general rule of thumb for PC builders
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    An interesting idea Calemus. To be fair, this was one of a stack of Win7 keys I had around the house (an OEM 7 Pro), so I used it on the initial install, and took my "free" upgrade to 10 Pro. However, I take your point. Having said that, in all the years I've been building PC's, I've never had it be a true issue. Microsoft might be the evil empire in many ways, but never have they refused to reset or fix a key that I somehow dorked up...In fact, in this case they gave me a product key for Win10 Pro, so I _should_ be able to use an OEM 10 Pro ISO to install this later if I need it.

    In my mind, a better rule of thumb (for me anyway), would be "Never install Microsoft Windows". BUT, since I occasionally like to play games, and am not a console fan, Windows has a place in my collection of computers...however the day is soon coming, when if it doesn't run on Linux, it doesn't run in my house...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by calemus View Post
    on the penguin note, i now like you very much

    i am currently trying to get a gigabyte 990fx gaming mobo to run linux
    seems the distros, even recent ones do not have the ability to let me use a usb(laser) mouse or keyboard, any ideas how i can get past this issue?
    eh? That's really strange. I'm wondering if this is specifically an AMD issue. Let me build a Live USB Drive and try on the ASRock. LinuxMint starts like a champ on my main destop and our MSI micro MicroPC (some i3 processor I think) without anything BUT USB mice and keyboards, in fact one has just Wireless (bluetooth, although I built it with a corded USB Logitech) Keyboard and Mouse, and the Desktop (Intel Z87) has a wired USB Keyboard (Ducky) and a Logitech Wireless mouse.

    Give me a few, and I'll try it on the ASRock/FX 8370 and see what gives.

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    eh? That's really strange. I'm wondering if this is specifically an AMD issue. Let me build a Live USB Drive and try on the ASRock. LinuxMint starts like a champ on my main destop and our MSI micro MicroPC (some i3 processor I think) without anything BUT USB mice and keyboards, in fact one has just Wireless (bluetooth, although I built it with a corded USB Logitech) Keyboard and Mouse, and the Desktop (Intel Z87) has a wired USB Keyboard (Ducky) and a Logitech Wireless mouse.

    Give me a few, and I'll try it on the ASRock/FX 8370 and see what gives.

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    OK Calemus, there must be something odd going on with your Gigabyte. I just booted from a Linux Mint 17.3 (Rosa) Cinnamon edition 64 bit from here with a Logitech wireless mouse (USB adapter), and a Gigabyte USB Keyboard. No issues whatsoever.

    Did you use the USB 2.0 ports on the motherboard for your Keyboard/Mouse? (I'm sure you did, but I'm grasping at straws I'm afraid!).

    What version of Linux are you running? Oh ****. Mine is a 970A, not a 990FX chipset. I don't have one of those to try. There is an interesting thread here: [ubuntu] gigabyte ga-990fxa-ud3 usb ports not working a ways down the thread it indicates that "In the BIOS, set IOMMU to "Enabled". That fixed both USB and networking for me. "

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