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    I'm new to the forums (Hi!) and am building my first AMD system, I just have a few questions regarding some parts and assembly.

    Parts purchased ( and in my possession) thus far:

    Case - Coolermaster HAF 922

    Motherboard - ASUS M4A79XTD

    CPU Cooler - Coolermaster Hyper N520

    CPU - Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

    Harddrive - Western Digital Blue Caviar 500gb

    RAM - 2gb Corsair Dominator 1600mhz (Friend gave to me, I know it comes in a 6gb set but it saved me a bunch of money, lol)

    Purchased but not yet in my possession:

    DVD drive - ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner

    PSU - BFG GS-550

    Not yet purchased:

    Radeon 5770

    My questions are as follows

    1) Can I run Windows 7 64bit with just that 2gb stick of RAM for the time being? I know 4 is preferred, but I want to get this thing up and running first, then upgrade. Also, do I need to buy the same stick of RAM, or can I get another brand but with similar timings and whatnot? If so, can someone link me to a single 2gb stick?

    2) Which is the "best" Radeon 5770 card for around $180? I may do overclocking, but since I'm not familiar with it, I'll probably stay well within safe perimeters.

    3) For the CPU cooling installation, do I have to apply heat ( like turning the computer on) in order for it to be safely attached? Because I may start assembly today or tomorrow, but I may not get the graphics card for another week or so.

    4) Should I install the PSU before installing the motherboard, or after?

    And finally, is my setup any good for gaming? lol

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    1. Yes.

    2. Get whatever is the cheapest. They are all pretty much reference designs.

    3. No.

    4. After.

    Finally. Very good, I like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil' Dead View Post
    1. Yes.

    2. Get whatever is the cheapest. They are all pretty much reference designs.

    3. No.

    4. After.

    Finally. Very good, I like it
    Thanks for your input!

    I'm going to start with my assembly now, then.

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    Ny, Welcome to PureOC. Here is my sticky on how to build a computer for dummies like me! The PSU IMO should be 1st in. It will help your wire management as some powewr cables need to be run behind the motherboard plate......


    http://forums.pureoverclock.com/showthread.php?t=9542
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil' Dead View Post
    1. Yes.

    2. Get whatever is the cheapest. They are all pretty much reference designs.

    3. No.

    4. After.

    Finally. Very good, I like it
    1) yes
    2) they all suck get a GTX
    3) no, after you attach it the thermal paste will do the rest
    4) either but after is best so cords arent in the way

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    Sorry, double post

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    Thanks for the input/welcomes!

    I think I'll still be getting a 5770 over a GTX ( Considering I'm within that budget range, I'd have to geta GTX 260, where as I may as well get a Radeon 4890) for the overclocking potential, and Crossfire a little later down the line.

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    Another question, is it alright to use Radisohack thermal paste? I just picked it up as an afterthought, because I didn't want to use the stock tube that came with my cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    Another question, is it alright to use Radisohack thermal paste? I just picked it up as an afterthought, because I didn't want to use the stock tube that came with my cooler.
    it's probably a generic thermal grease. It's worth to use brand names after market TIM though. It makes a lot of different in temperature. The average performance gain for these quality TIMs are from 1-2 degrees. But they make big different from the generic paste though, somewhere about 5C.

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    Lol, thanks, but I was too excited to build the computer, already applied the paste >_>

    Another question (XD) I'm having trouble with the connectors, it seems my motherboard doesn't have all the connectors necessary, unless I'm missing something. The M4A79XTD and HAF 922 mid tower should be compatible...

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    Nyarlathotep,

    I see you're an H.P. Lovecraft fan... awesome!

    To respond to your questions:

    1) You can start with a single 2 GB stick of RAM. I, personally, would not recommend it. 2 GB will greatly limit your performance, esp. if you intend to do any multi-tasking. Also, mismatched RAM can often be finicky with different motherboards, especially if you intend on overclocking your system (which you said you were considering). For example, in some circumstances, four sticks of RAM will cause instability issues or reduce your overclocking potential. In other cases, even with only two sticks, using 2 different pieces of RAM might cause incompatibility and thus instability issues.

    It is recommended to use two matched sticks of RAM, from the same kit. Since the Corsair Dominator RAM from the 6GB kit does not appear on ASUS's QVL (the memory "Qualified Vendor List ), it is slightly a crapshoot. The RAM you chose (I assume it was from this kit originally) was designed for Intel Core i7/x58 motherboards for triple channel RAM, so you will be unable to get the another exact same stick of RAM. How'd your friend end up giving you a single stick? Did they purchase the RAM for an Intel build and then decide to use it for an AMD build?

    You might think I'm blowing this whole issue out of proportion, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence of instability issues due to RAM incompatibility. You already spent good money on the rest of your system. You can get a matched set of 1600 Mhz DDR3 RAM today for $90 at Newegg, so it's not like you saved a *huge* amount.

    2) $180 is over-paying for a Radeon 5770. You can find one for as low as $135 (after rebate and inc. shipping):

    While the 5770 is quite a powerful card, if your budget is $180, for $20 more you would be much better served buying a GTX460, which just recently came out. It's $199 inc. shipping.

    Here's a review of the 460.

    The only advantage the 5770 has over the 460 is Eyefinity support. Since you didn't mention a monitor in your build, if you're looking for Eyefinity, then wait for the 120 Hz monitors to come down in price. If you're looking for a single or dual monitors, I can highly recommend the ASUS VW266H (I have two of those; let me say that the 25.5" size and the 1920 x1200 resolution is much, much better than 24" and 1920x1080). BTW: Two SLI'd 460s would completely destroy a single or crossfired 4770 for any gaming or rendering purpose, including the use of three monitors.

    Also, your chosen power supply has only two 18 amp 12v rails, with a 6 pin and a 6+2 pin connector. You can forget about doing crossfire on it and overclocking your system at the same time if you at all care about reliability. Just get the best graphics card you can afford now. If you are seriously considering crossfire, go for a 650W or 750W power supply now, with a single 12V rail at 45Amp or more, and four 6 or 6+2 pin outputs.

    3) Do *NOT* attempt to overclock on a long term basis with some crappy Radioshack white paste. Seriously, what's the point of spending all this money and cheaping out on a less than $10 part? Get some Corsair MX-2/MX-3 if you want something non-conductive, or go with the old standby, Arctic Silver 5. Also, return that N520 if you can, as it's not much better than the stock AMD HSF that comes with the retail 965 and so is a waste of $35, despite its two (rather loud) fans. Here's a review of the N520.

    If you don't intend to overclock much, the stock AMD HSF with a good thermal paste is fine. If you're looking to bring the 965 to 4 GHz or more without a high dB fan blasting noise in your face, return the N520, and get something from the recommended list here.

    4) For gaming - in general, it's a good system you're building. But, the answer is subjective. Why? Well, what resolution will you be gaming at? Will you be playing (or are you intending to play) DX11 games now or in then near future? What about eye candy like AA, ASF, etc.? Are you intending on doing triple monitor gaming (two nvidia in SLI via software or one or two ATI via hardware)? Do you play any games that can support PhysX? What about 3d Vision - is that something you're interested in? What about non-gaming uses, like Folding@Home, or rendering, graphics work, etc?

    Hot tip - if you're running Windows & (with its native TRIM support), by far the best thing you can do for yourself is to get a Sandforce 1200 controller SSD. 64GB is the sweet spot right now. The OCZ Vertex 2 is fantastic, so is the Mushkin Callisto Deluxe. I have Windows 7 pro, and all my programs and games on it, with a 1 TB hard drive for all my data/video/music. This system just fliiiiiies. It is far faster in a day to day fashion than a similar computer I built for my mom, whose only major difference is the lack of an SSD. Also, if you like, your motherboard will support a Bulldozer CPU (AMD's next gen chip. coming out in 2011), so swap to that in the future if you're looking for more power.

    Best of success to you, and enjoy!

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    Lol, thanks, but I was too excited to build the computer, already applied the paste >_>

    Another question (XD) I'm having trouble with the connectors, it seems my motherboard doesn't have all the connectors necessary, unless I'm missing something. The M4A79XTD and HAF 922 mid tower should be compatible...
    If you're going to change HSFs based on my recommendation, you need to correctly clean the old thermal paste. Don't do so without planning and foreknowledge, as at minimum, you will get poor results, and at worse case, you can short out your motherboard and more.

    Also, which missing connector? Something that connects from the power supply to the motherboard, or something that connects from the case to the motherboard? You will have lots of extra connectors on that PSU, as it is not modular. Conversely, all the slots for the standard case inputs (USB, headphone/mic, power switch, power light, reset, HDD light, internal speaker) are standard on every modern motherboard. Please describe or take a picture of the connector(s) in question.

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    See, you're totally blowing my mind with this knowledge. I thought the Hyper N520 was a good fan...

    And yes, since I already applied the paste and installed the fan, I don't know if I can return it...I know I shouldn't have used a crappy generic paste, but my impatience got the better of me.

    I'll take pictures, since I've no idea which connector goes to which, even with the awfully vague manual in hand >_<

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    After reading some reviews on the GTX 460, I'll opt for that and ignore crossfire. For gaming, I'm looking for performance over graphics. The max my monitor can do is 1900x1080 (something like that) So it'll be around there. I won't be playing games like Crysis, but STALKER with graphical mods and other games of similar caliber.

    For my power supply, if I do modest overclocking, would it still be usable?

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