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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    Stan.I have a 100 amp system. All new back in 2009.

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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    This ongoing argument to prove no UPS and no Surge protector on the planet can protect you at all from any and all Lightening strike or effects is just silly.

    The key word that makes the long winded statement above true is "ALL". Well no sh*t an UPS or Surge protector cant stop ALL lightening strikes or effects. That is like saying an ESD strap will stop ALL Effects of ESD on a board when being handled on carpet. It will however REDUCE and Eliminate MOST of the damage or effects related to ESD. Just like an UPS or SP. Too much time was spent on talking about a direct strike. All of us here know it was not a direct strike. How do we know this? Because only his PC took a hit. Not his router, Circuit breaker, stove, Fridge, TV and hundreds of other devices that would have been toasted in a direct strike. That and his house isnt on fire. So its silly to keep bringing up the direct strike "Research" that leaves out a lot of information about modern technology so is more then likely outdated. Or that dude doesn't know WTF he is talking about. He is a storm chaser and Photographer. How does that make him an expert?

    UPS/SP VS Direct Lightening? Lightening wins in MOST cases because they are not made for that. UPS and SPs are designed against the sudden fluctuation in a power source caused by many means, including lightening, large appliances or even events miles down the road. Over and Under Voltages. There is a huge difference between Direct VS Induced. Direct is rare, Induced is the most common forms of lightening damage. Like this instance here. A strong surge protector and multi-point household electrical grounding would have redirected the Overvoltage to Earth ground saving his PC. If a household is properly grounded using multi-point grounding it can take a direct strike from Lightening and close by induced damage by lightening.

    The comments that Surge Protectors for the whole house that must be replaced in the event of a direct strike as being a sales pitch and variation of old lightening rod tech, is incorrect. It is actually based on the same technology that is used in every power grid across the world. It stops lightening from flowing into substations in the power grid when power lines are hit.. Its called Lightening Surge Arresters. Think Giant Resistor. Even made of porcelain.


    So in short, less time should have been spent on trying to disprove the benefits of Surge protection and UPS devices. The math used in the arguments are incorrect. Lets just a bolt of lightening is 100v. It strikes your house at the highest point. Is the effects of this lightening still 100v when it hits the outlet to your PC? Wave Transient, Electromagnetic and Electromechanical Phenomenons all have mathematical formulations to prove this is not true as the Storm Chaser Dan tries to calculate with. To further hurt his argument the only breaker in the box rated at or above 100amps in the main breaker. Therefore the secondary breaker in his claim would have already blown and never made it to the surge protector.


    Just silliness. Jim as I and others suggested Earlier. Get a 2000 or more joule surge protector or UPS.
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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    Sorry to hear about the bad news, you should have invested in a power surge protector + Stabilizer + UPS, ive got a general UPS + Stabilizer for my rig, but I don't have a surge protector as it was quite expensive. Though i did make my own earthing for the system.

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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    Thank you Sandy.I just had a ups given to me today. A little late. But it wont hapen agian.It is a APC-350. I will have time to get it wired up to. It wont be untill this Feburay before I will have the cash to get new board & chip.Thank you for all the help all.

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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    All this fuss.........do Like I do when there's a big thunderstorm........unplug the computer.......


    The only way to "try" to stop the 1.1 Gigawatts of a lightning strike is to build a Grounding Grid System...........to take the strike and spread it around in the ground under/next to your house/building/business...












    The lightning creates static energy "around' the lightning bolt and that is what mostly causes the electrical malfunctions in your household appliances, not a direct hit, per say. Think of it a hugh short circuit. the pure power of a strike needs to travel into a grid and be lessened/displaced thought out the grid to be effectively controlled..........

    High rise building all have these systems built in to protect them...ie: the Empire State Building gets @ 100 hits a year and the computers all still work.

    Also..UPS's are really only good for power backup, in case of an outage.......not for surge protection. There are some UPS's with a surge protection built in, but it really functions as power till the lights come back on!


    My Brother-in-law is a Civilian Defense Official with a 60ft tower next to his house for Emergency Broadcasting and he built a grid system around his house.....it has withstood several direct hits over the years....

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    Thanks for sharing that Trak. That is a perfect example of multi point grounding. There are other ways not as intricate as this one but the principle is the same.
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    Default Re: Good news & bad news.

    In addition to what sandy said if it were truly a direct strike the shortest path for the lightning would have almost certainly not have been through the computer. Also just for shiggles I would like to point out that if you cannot get to a building during a storm a car is the next best thing and is possibly even safer that a building, this however contrary to popular belief is not due to the rubber tires being good insulators, it is actually quite the opposite if lightning hits the car it will go through the metal body and jump the gap the rest of the way to the ground thus leaving you in the middle unharmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trak View Post
    All this fuss.........do Like I do when there's a big thunderstorm........unplug the computer.......
    thats what i do

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    True. Cant do that wen you are at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    True. Cant do that wen you are at work.
    lol unplug it then go to work

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    During a really bad thunderstorm, (we get a lot of them here in Northern Virginia) I turn off the breakers to my computer room. We had an extra circuit/fuse box installed to power just the computer room and to put extra outlets in our kitchen last year. It's simple to flip four breakers and be done with it. It's worked so far.
    There is one old plug in the computer room with an old PC (Dell Core-2 Duo, 400GB HDD, 2GB RAM, Radeon HD-4550) attached to it, and I soldier-on with the one PC that I don't care too much about. If it gets blasted, I'll get over it.

    Five or six years ago it was considered a good gaming rig and now it's a throw away PC
    Go figure,...........
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    Well I tryed to RMA my mobo to day Was told no. It is out of warranty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    Well I tryed to RMA my mobo to day Was told no. It is out of warranty...
    geez

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