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    Hi again. Grumpydaddy asked me to post more info on the function of the product.

    We showed 2 consumer products at CES in Vegas last Jan. One of them was a direct phase change unit that uses our specially designed proprietary cooling blocks (you can see photos on our website Compucold). This one replaces water cooling entirely, as it sends refrigerant directly to our CPU/GPU cooling blocks which act as evaporators (where the phase change takes place). While this one had nice performance, it had drawbacks as far as complexity of installation, cost of material, and some limitations on the number of CPUs/GPUs a single unit can cool.

    So after getting feedback from CES, we decided to concentrate on the other system we showed at CES, which is a liquid chiller that uses the same mini-compressor technology. This is the one you see in the photos in the previous thread. This version is plug-and-play into ANY existing water cooling circuit. It would replace your rad in the circuit. You would still need all the other components of a water circuit (i.e. water blocks, pump, reservoir). You can place the chiller at any point in the circuit, but preferably after the res and before the blocks. The design you see in the photos was made to fit inside a case that has a bottom compartment (we used the SS TJ-07 because we liked the look of it, but you can of course use any case that will fit). You can also use it externally if you want by running the tubes out the back and then back in. The unit is powered by the computer's 12v PSU through a standard PCI connector. Since it is relatively low power (usually <70w; max 120w), in most cases you don't need to up your PSU. The liquid temp is controlled by a GUI on your desktop. You simply choose the temp you want to keep the liquid at, and our circuit board speeds up or slows down the compressor to adjust the temp. Since our mini compressor is variable speed (unlike most compressors which are on or off, we can do this). Our mini-compressor is one of the smallest vapor compressors in the world and previously used in special applications for the military.

    Based on feedback from CES, we decided to redesign the unit to make it small enough to fit into three 5.25" drive bays. So here's the big question for you guys ... how important is the smaller size to you and would it affect your decision to buy it? There is one trade-off for making the unit smaller- although the unit is pretty quiet, it may require a higher fan speed with a smaller package, and more noise. This is because we would be required to use a smaller condenser coil, so to compensate the lack of area we would have to increase air flow. I know its hard to answer this question without seeing and hearing it, but we are very curious to know how important size is to the community. Any comments are appreciated.

    I will be posting performance stats shortly on a unit cooling an OC'd 2600k and a watercooled EVGA 580GTX, running Prime 95 at different clock speeds up to 5.2. The chart will also include a comparison with a Swiftech triple rad with 3 Scythe Gentle Typhoon fans cooling the same setup. We have not made these stats public before, so I need to put them on our server with a URL. Keep in mind that we are still making improvements, but the numbers are pretty impressive.

    Anyone feel free to ask any questions and any comments are more than appreciated. And if you guys can give me your 2 cents on the above questions, that would be great.

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    First I would say that for me the extra size and larger condenser is good if it gives better performance (chilling) and is quieter too. Much preferred to a very small unit.

    I have run small fans and am not a fan of the noise (pitch and volume) they make when trying to move a lot of air which I presume they would have to if the condenser is small

    There are dimensions that all PSU manufacturers adhere to. I think that here you have the opportunity to build a unit that is as wide as todays typical enthusiast cases. maybe some research into how much room the guys have in their cases and where that space is???
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    There are dimensions that all PSU manufacturers adhere to. I think that here you have the opportunity to build a unit that is as wide as todays typical enthusiast cases. maybe some research into how much room the guys have in their cases and where that space is???
    Good point. Any feedback from others appreciated.

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    I would be happy if the chiller would fit in the bottom of my case with one hard drive bay removed, but with the PSU still installed. I suggest looking a a number of full tower cases that are popular and see if you can come up with a unit that will fit with little or no modding in the majority of them. Some suggestions of cases to look at would be: NZXT Switch 810, Corsair 800D, Cooler Master Cosmos II. These are all popular water cooling cases with lots of room.
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    It will fit in my azza fushion 4000. In the top. Lot's room there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    It will fit in my azza fushion 4000. In the top. Lot's room there.
    This brings up another point. the air intake has to be on one side and the exhaust on the other. If you assume a rectangular box for the chiller, would you prefer the intake and exhaust to be on opposite sides of the short sides, opposite sides of the the long side, or intake from one of the sides and exhaust out the top? Depending on where you put it would govern which setup is ideal, but we can only choose one for the design.

    The CES unit had the intake on one long side and out the opposite long side. This was good for our case because we had air holes on each side. The 3-bay design was going to intake the air on one of the short sides that would be visible from the front of the case (cool design would show in the front of the case) and would exhaust out the opposite short side. If you placed the unit in the top 3 bays, the heat would exhaust out the back of the chiller and rise out of the top of the case.

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    How hot is the exhaust?
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    Oh, and I definitely wouldn't want to put the chiller in 5.25" bays. Need those for res, fan controller, etc.
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    It would be nice to have the current dimensions of the unit shown in the pictures.

    My expectation is that the unit would have to run "this way up" (horizontal).... would it be a much trouble to build one that runs standing on one end? (vertical) so that it would fit in 3-6 bays at bottom front of normal case.

    I want to ask a whole bunch of questions like r134a? but maybe this is too soon? ..... please give us all you can
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamCR3 View Post
    How hot is the exhaust?
    Not that hot since there is decent air flow, but we would rather have the exhaust in a place that is easy exit from the case and not trap the heat in the case. Also better to have the intake coming from outside the case rather than from the hotter air inside the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    It would be nice to have the current dimensions of the unit shown in the pictures.
    13"(L) x 7"(W) x 5" (H)

    My expectation is that the unit would have to run "this way up" (horizontal).... would it be a much trouble to build one that runs standing on one end? (vertical) so that it would fit in 3-6 bays at bottom front of normal case.
    We considered vertical, but were trying to use as few drive bays as possible.

    I want to ask a whole bunch of questions like r134a? but maybe this is too soon? ..... please give us all you can
    You are correct sir. we use r134a.

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    The best place to me would be at the bottom of the chassis as I would rather give up a HD cage then any of my 5.25 drive bays
    and it can pull air in off the bottom or worst case in from the front and out the back.
    And actually I would not mind sitting it on top of my case if I had no room up top as an external its pretty enough to show off
    if you look at my review of Switch 810 with the bottom HD cage removed it prob would sit perfectly in that area its big enough to house a 240 there.
    Bottom line is its all about performance in the end if it performs I will find a place or case for it, or mod my rig to make it (fit/work).

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    It will fit perfect in my azza. top space is 7, 3/4 wide 16'' long 6, 3/4 deep. both side's drop down. Perfect fit.

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    well your the exception and not the rule the smaller they make it the better they will sell
    the key here would be not to sacrifice performance.

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    If its real quite and can hold ambient temps 24/7 In Florida while while still fitting in a Full size case I'm up for one.

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    Daren, I'm going to email you.

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