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    Hey guys,

    I have been air cooling for quite a long time now and decided to go water

    First the parts I wanna cool.

    1.)i7 950 currently at 4.2 Ghz 1.26 vcore cooled with Noctua UP12 full load 56 degrees
    2.) GTX 295 (soon to be GTX 595)^^ at (712/1512/1215)


    I have been looking around the net and saw a lot of people talking about the XSPC Rasa 750 all in one kit and that it would be the best way to go because for the price class it would provide best performance.

    My problem is that I live in Austria and the rasa kit can only be shipped with gigantic shipping costs from US. There are two solutions now...should I put the whole thing together individueally? Pump,resavoir,tubes , etc....or should I just buy a whole kit?


    Here is a site I would consider buying from if you know better ones let me know
    These are the kits with a 360 rad I think 360 should be enough right?
    There are all alvailable with 240 and 120mm rad as well..but just to give you an idea of what the kit contains of.
    http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/l...ath/29_103_733

    After you have taken a look ....and think that those kits are great recommend me one
    If you think I would be better off with the whole thing put together with individually sorted out parts then please put together the best possible parts with a max bugdet of 130-150 € (200 dollars max)

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    P.S Deton I am expecting your post^^
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    Can't be done on your budget, because no kit includes a VGA block. And the GTX295 (both versions) require very specific blocks. You're looking at 85+ euro for the block alone.

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    I know my stated budget of course does not include the GPU yet.

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    If your load temp is actually 56°C (core) at the current clock with air cooler then don't bother go with water cooling or you will be dissapointed. And if your budget is $200 max then don't even bother with do-it-yourselft custom setup because it's start from $300-$500 for what you wanted.

    Ok, 595 will be a dual GPU, the full cover block cost at least from $110 - $160 by itself. Dual GPU dump a lot of heat and a single rad can't handle a CPU and Dual GPU as well, you must have a separate loop for the GPUs and I know you; performance is your pirority. However, you still can just add on another triple rad in one loop but I don't even bother suggested.

    XSPC's kits are the best value/performance there is now. Which your budget, it's better to get the 360 kit then start saving your money and expand the setup later on. At this point you have to ask yourself what you spend the money on. Water cooling gears or 595?

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    Aaah a Deton post^^

    1.) Seperate loop for gtx 595?oO I thought 360 for the i7 and maybe a 120 or max 240 in that loop for the card?I think for my current setup i7 gtx 295 one 360 should be enough

    2.)My total money pot allows me a gtx 595 a new case and a basic watercooling kit ....I have seen for myself that putting the watercooling parts together myself will be to pricey...so it will be an all in one kit.

    3.)Thus the gtx 595 will have a vapor chamber anyways I am not sure if I will even consider to water cool it.My thoughts on going water are to be future proof ...and because it would just look so damn cool with my new case^^ UV green omg...Even though a Noctua DH14 nearly hits watercooling results and it would be much cheaper and less risky too.

    4.)I get those load temps with an opened window ...but because I am sick of dust and noise I would like to make a change

    I would love to get the XSPC Rasa 750 RS360 but unfortunetly it is not available in neither germany nor austria ... the only way would be to order it from US with enormous shipping costs
    This bundy guy which by the way was very nice recommended me this site ...
    http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/c...-1oe-Kits.html
    There are the 360 all in one kits ...which one do you think is best for the price?if possible also look at the 120mm and 240 mm all in one kits for 1366..

    The only other way would be to buy each part that is included in the XSPC Rasa Kit individually from this site because even though they donīt have the rasa kit they have all the single parts I think ..update me as soon as possible
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    See below;

    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    Aaah a Deton post^^

    1.) Seperate loop for gtx 595?oO I thought 360 for the i7 and maybe a 120 or max 240 in that loop for the card?I think for my current setup i7 gtx 295 one 360 should be enough
    Overclocked i7 at your speed output around 280w (appox) of heat and heat GPU generates almost 120-150w and especially Fermi chip. The average a single rad can dissipate 150w (estimation); this is depend on its size, flow rate and fan speed. So dual rad = 300w, triple rad = 450w.

    Now let's do the math 280w (i7) + 240w min (2x GPUs) = 520w of heat.
    So if you use a triple rad then you are basicly max out its cooling capacity.

    Therefore, a single rad is under power to cool an overclocked i7, dual rad is the ideal and the triple is overkill for just a CPU but it's good for a CPU + GPU (1 ONLY).

    2.)My total money pot allows me a gtx 595 a new case and a basic watercooling kit ....I have seen for myself that putting the watercooling parts together myself will be to pricey...so it will be an all in one kit.
    If your budget is $200 and only going to cool the CPU then get the dual rad kit, and if the you're going to get can fit a triple rad then I would suggest you to go with the triple rad it. Because it's only cost $30 more and you have much higher overhead cooling power. It's better overkill then under power.

    3.)Thus the gtx 595 will have a vapor chamber anyways I am not sure if I will even consider to water cool it.My thoughts on going water are to be future proof ...and because it would just look so damn cool with my new case^^ UV green omg...Even though a Noctua DH14 nearly hits watercooling results and it would be much cheaper and less risky too.
    Indeed they run must cooler than the 480.


    4.)I get those load temps with an opened window ...but because I am sick of dust and noise I would like to make a change

    I would love to get the XSPC Rasa 750 RS360 but unfortunetly it is not available in neither germany nor austria ... the only way would be to order it from US with enormous shipping costs
    This bundy guy which by the way was very nice recommended me this site ...
    http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/c...-1oe-Kits.html
    There are the 360 all in one kits ...which one do you think is best for the price?if possible also look at the 120mm and 240 mm all in one kits for 1366..
    Do hear about Aquatuning but not very familar with EU products.

    The only other way would be to buy each part that is included in the XSPC Rasa Kit individually from this site because even though they donīt have the rasa kit they have all the single parts I think ..update me as soon as possible
    Have you check out E-tailers from UK?
    We do have some memebers from UK they migh chime in.

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    I followed Deton's advice for my rig & he proved to be 100% accurate.

    I ended up with 2 tri-rad loops, because the 2 pump kits I bought, each included a single rad,
    which I attached to both of my twin rads, ending up with 2 tri-rads.

    1 loop cools the OC'd CPU & full MB kit &
    the other loop cools the 2 4870X2 cards.

    I used EK waterblocks &
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    1.)Ok hereīs the thing........For now I wanna cool the 295 and CPU that means a 360 rad should be enough....but I am not sure if a 360 rad also handles CPU and gtx 595 because fermi gets extremely hot .That means I will have to add another rad to the loop...and I am thinking:
    resevoir ->pump->360rad->CPU->240rad(because I might SLI the 595 in future)->GTX->resevoir.
    And correct me if I am wrong but from the watts the components dispose ...wouldnīt that be the worst case scenario?with low fans....10 volt pump....bad ambient temps?? with 1700 rpm fans good ambient and 12 volt Laing for example ...a 360 would still be insufficient for 295 SLI and i7?

    2.)Doesnīt really go with the topic sry^^...what case do you think would be great for that basic kinda water cooling ? want your oppinion on this

    3.I checked the E-tailers tip out but didnīt find anything in particular ...just those links to sites mostly in UK http://forums.pureoverclock.com/arch...php?t-735.html do you recommend one of those sites?
    And you didnīt find anything on the aquatuning link I posted earlier ?I thought the 12 Volt Laing DDC kit was pretty decent thouch it was pricey so if you donīt mind pl have another look a the site

    4.)I went to this site http://www.watercoolingshop.co.uk/sh...egoryid=155527 and since you recommended me to buy the rasa kit I added to the cart and it says there that the kits wonīt be shipped until january 16th.
    And a XSPC Rasa 750 RS360 costs 165 pounds on that site Oo + shipping that would be a too pricey buy...I hope you can recommend me some alternative shops that would sell it cheaper or some alternative kits idealy from Austria or Germany thx
    Oh yeah and what is the differnce between the rasa 750 RX360 and the RS360?why are they both so expensive? I though those kits were so famous because of their low prices?

    5.)Dougofthenorth I had the same experience ..and since my i7 thread with him I can only say....ainīt nothing like a Deton haha.
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    I think you should consider that since it appears you will get the obsidian 800d case you should see what WC kits fit in the case - if you are mounting them inside instaed of outside - as you previously posted.
    Since the 800d already allows for a top mounted rad - where do you plan on putting the 2nd WC kit.
    If you read around, you will see there will be extensive case mods required for that,
    if put inside.

    If you Google the mods - read through some to see what is involved
    http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&biw=1136...f023fa88c5b3eb


    The Corsair Forum even has one for a bottom rad mount How To
    http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=81698

    But needs a simple strut to prevent case sag.

    So if you have the tools & skills...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    1.)Ok hereīs the thing........For now I wanna cool the 295 and CPU that means a 360 rad should be enough....but I am not sure if a 360 rad also handles CPU and gtx 595 because fermi gets extremely hot .That means I will have to add another rad to the loop...and I am thinking:
    resevoir ->pump->360rad->CPU->240rad(because I might SLI the 595 in future)->GTX->resevoir.
    And correct me if I am wrong but from the watts the components dispose ...wouldnīt that be the worst case scenario?with low fans....10 volt pump....bad ambient temps?? with 1700 rpm fans good ambient and 12 volt Laing for example ...a 360 would still be insufficient for 295 SLI and i7?
    I was alrready did the heat dissipation estimation for you now it's all up to you to decide how you want to do the setup. Of course you can use one 120.3 rad for CPU + 2xGPU but the question is; would you be happy with the temp out come?

    Wait a minute, you're planning to SLI 595?
    Then you must have separate loop and a 120.4 at least.

    Most pump are 12v requirement, you just can't run 10v pump on 12v PSU.

    You were saying that you are sick of noise and dust but you put more fan in for water cooling. Dust is still be there and build up on the fans and rad, however water cooling eliminate noise when you run the fans at slow speed. The only way is really to eliminate dust build up in your computer is install air purification for your entire house.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    2.)Doesnīt really go with the topic sry^^...what case do you think would be great for that basic kinda water cooling ? want your oppinion on this
    ah...cases are hard to recommend because this depend on personal taste as well. Techinically if a case have two or three 120mm fan ports beside each other then you can use it for warter cooling case. However, 99% you have to do some kind of modding if you have more than two rads use inside the case. The only standard fulltower case can take up two rads (120.3 or 120.4 and 120.2) are Silverstone TJ07.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    3.I checked the E-tailers tip out but didnīt find anything in particular ...just those links to sites mostly in UK http://forums.pureoverclock.com/arch...php?t-735.html do you recommend one of those sites?
    And you didnīt find anything on the aquatuning link I posted earlier ?I thought the 12 Volt Laing DDC kit was pretty decent thouch it was pricey so if you donīt mind pl have another look a the site
    well, ain't they in recommended list?
    Like I said, I can't comment on EU brands because I'm not familar with them. Getting involve with water cooling is not cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    4.)I went to this site http://www.watercoolingshop.co.uk/sh...egoryid=155527 and since you recommended me to buy the rasa kit I added to the cart and it says there that the kits wonīt be shipped until january 16th.
    And a XSPC Rasa 750 RS360 costs 165 pounds on that site Oo + shipping that would be a too pricey buy...I hope you can recommend me some alternative shops that would sell it cheaper or some alternative kits idealy from Austria or Germany thx
    Oh yeah and what is the differnce between the rasa 750 RX360 and the RS360?why are they both so expensive? I though those kits were so famous because of their low prices?
    RX360 is big thicker rad and it has more cooling power than RS360. XSPC kits are the best value performance in the North America market, can't tell you why they cost too much on the side of the globe

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    1.)I have come to realize that watercooling CPU and GPU wonīt be possible for now because my budget wouldnīt allow me an extra water block for the gtx 295 ...that means for now it will just be the i7 that will be water cooled ....and I am not sure about the gtx 595 ...what do you thinkī? will it be worth it investing in a waterblock for it? or will the vapor chamber just be fine and wonīt make much difference to water cooling it?

    2.)Thus I am for know only cooling the CPU my question is ...will a 120 mm rad kit be enough? I see a lot of people cooling their 4.5 i7īs with 120 mm rads ...and I now you made the dissepation estimate for me thank you for that but will the i7 really ned a 240 rad?..."Cooling temps can only get as low as your ambient temp ...no matter how many rads you have it wonīt drop under it" thats what the overclock3D guy said^^

    3.)I donīt understand what you mean with EU brands ..it is XSPC Rasa ...they are all the same in china US and germany but donīt mind that anymore ....I wanna concentrate on retailers in my approximation that means I would love you to either select one of the all in one kits from this site that you think are/is the best http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/language/en or to put one WC setup together ...both in a price range of 130-170 €

    For example bundyman did one :
    heatkiller lc 3.0 waterblock
    12v pump (xspc or phobya 260 + rers)
    16/10mm tubing from masterkleer
    barb fittings (perfect seal 10mm fittings)
    magicool slim triple rad
    innovatek protect coolant
    noiseblocker pl2 fans

    ~ 180-200 euro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    1.)I have come to realize that watercooling CPU and GPU wonīt be possible for now because my budget wouldnīt allow me an extra water block for the gtx 295 ...that means for now it will just be the i7 that will be water cooled ....and I am not sure about the gtx 595 ...what do you thinkī? will it be worth it investing in a waterblock for it? or will the vapor chamber just be fine and wonīt make much difference to water cooling it?
    When GPU put on water then its temp will drop down to half or more. It's definetly you can overclock the card higher with air cooler, quieter and less heat for your case. It's worth the investment when you have the money to spend on it and want to push the card to the max.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    2.)Thus I am for know only cooling the CPU my question is ...will a 120 mm rad kit be enough? I see a lot of people cooling their 4.5 i7īs with 120 mm rads ...and I now you made the dissepation estimate for me thank you for that but will the i7 really ned a 240 rad?..."Cooling temps can only get as low as your ambient temp ...no matter how many rads you have it wonīt drop under it" thats what the overclock3D guy said^^
    I'm sure you can use single 120mm rad to cool i7 but I'm going to ask you this.

    Would you be happy if the load temps in mid 70ish and up?

    You would spend big money to setup water cooling and in return you only get the same result as good air cooler. Well, it's so call.

    Yes watercooling doesn't give you subambient result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
    3.)I donīt understand what you mean with EU brands ..it is XSPC Rasa ...they are all the same in china US and germany but donīt mind that anymore ....I wanna concentrate on retailers in my approximation that means I would love you to either select one of the all in one kits from this site that you think are/is the best http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/language/en or to put one WC setup together ...both in a price range of 130-170 €

    For example bundyman did one :
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    12v pump (xspc or phobya 260 + rers)
    16/10mm tubing from masterkleer
    barb fittings (perfect seal 10mm fittings)
    magicool slim triple rad
    innovatek protect coolant
    noiseblocker pl2 fans

    ~ 180-200 euro
    EU's brand mean the maker from Germany, Italy...etc., and some of them don't available or market in the North America.

    XSPC products widely available for us over here. You linked to a product unfamilar to my territory and ask for a opinion and I don't want to give you a blind opinion. I could do that if you really want to hear. This is a reason I told you to ask Bundymanina because he lives and deal with European products.

    Of course you can custom your own setup put it's often cost more than a pre-fab kits. Just look at your above example; 130 vs 180 euros.

    Oh btw, most computer parts are make in China or Taiwan...etc nowaday, where do think all the motherboard make? if you want to survise in the competition then you have to do that. It's up to manufactor responsibility to quality control and stand behind their products. Who do you think make Magicool radiator?..........pure 100% Chineese.

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    If I was doing a build where I only could WC my CPU or GPU,
    IMHO, I would do the CPU first because I could later easily attach the WC blocks & stuff to the GPU card(s) without ripping out the MB & all the other stuff, which the CPU WCing would require.

    Also OCing the CPU would give me better returns than OCing the GPU(s) [for ATI cards anyway]
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    Thats alright thanks but whether or not the parts are made in china or taiwan I would still like somebody to 1a.) recommend me a 240 all in one kit or 1b.)put something together for me in a range of 130-180 € from those links pl

    1a.)http://geizhals.at/?cat=coolwsets
    1b.)http://www.aquatuning.at/index.php/l...1qkk8undao9rhn

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    We keep going in circle, I let someone else familar with EU brands to give you the recommendation on that.

    With your budget and here is my final advise; be patient wait until XSPC is resuming to business and get their Rasa 750 RS240 kit. Seriously, if you can afford this kit then you might just stay with air cooler because I PERSONALLY think you're wasting the money to setup a WC system for 130 euros.

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    EU brands & prices

    (VAT included)

    This would be ~ € 200
    Using EK parts (made in germany) http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ based on their site prices
    CPU - ~ € 40
    Pump - ~ € 45+
    Reservoir -~ € 30
    Dual Rad - ~ € 50 (for a 240 rated - add €30 for a 280 rated)
    Fittings - ~ € 12 (6 @ € 2)
    Tubing - ~ € 4
    Clamps - ~ € 6 (6 @ €1)
    Feser one - ~ € 13 / litre
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