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    Introducing myself, Andrew from Innovation Cooling and we are doing a giveaway here on Pure Overclock so read on if you have an interest.

    Innovation Cooling (IC) will giveaway 100 syringes of ICD24 to Pure Overclock forum members who have at least 50 posts and/or 3 months membership.

    ALL POTENTIAL PARTICIPANTS MUST POST THEIR INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS THREAD IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THEIR FREE TIM
    (BEFORE OR AFTER EMAILING ME).

    PLEASE BE SURE TO BENCHMARK YOUR CPU TEMPS WITH YOUR CURRENT TIM AND RECORD YOUR RESULTS BEFORE USING IC24 FOR TESTING. WE NEED BEFORE AND AFTER PLEASE (Ambient, idle, load at the very least)!

    Instructions and Qualifiers

    1.) 1 Syringe per responding forum member. Luck of the draw whether you receive ICD

    2.) This is a on a first come basis. I will post notice on this forum when the giveaway ends

    3.) Participating members are to post your test results on this forum within the first 30 days after receiving the sample. Gentleman's agreement.(THOSE WHO DO NOT HONOR THE AGREEMENT WILL BE FOREVER IMMORTALIZED ON THE WALL OF SHAME WHICH WILL BE POSTED AT THE COMPLETION OF THE SURVEY)

    4.) Pure Overclock forum members who have at least a minimum 50 posts.

    5.) Or have been a forum member for at least 3 months

    6.) Email me your mailing address in a format we can cut and paste easily for processing.

    7.) Must agree to test the product and give feedback to the forum, and thus to Innovation Cooling (Current load/idle/ambient temps + fan speed then load/idle/ambient temps + fan speed with IC24)

    The specifics will be posted in a separate Results Thread, we will be looking for simple data feedback, and looking forward to actual comparisons in application methods and comparing products from other manufacturers.

    We would like to first get CPU, GPU's, and Laptops results as a priority, then any you are free to apply/experiment on other components with remaining balance.

    All personal information is kept entirely confidential and destroyed upon completion of giveaway. Please PM me if you have any questions.

    Thanks everyone and I look forward to working with you all and hopefully learning something in the process.

    Again to register for your survey sample post IN THIS THREAD "ON MY HONOR IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE COMPOUND I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TEST AND POST MY RESULTS"

    After you have posted your registration Email to complete registration.

    For International - We are mailing from the USA so allow time for processing and shipping .

    MAKE SURE YOUR OWN ADDRESS IS CORRECT - WE JUST CUT AND PASTE - IF IT IS NOT DELIVERED DUE TO REGISTRANT'S ERRORS WE DO NOT RE-MAIL SAMPLES


    EMAIL ADDRESS FOR REGISTRATION -- support@innovationcooling.com

    All the best

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    Thanks Andrew. If you guys never noticed, I use IC Diamond 24 Karat in all my reviews! The TIM is Great!


    LOL, the wall of shame! I have made the women wall of shame many times and it is not pretty! On the serious side, it is fun testing 2 different tims. All you need to do is a 15 minute run on prime95 blend at the same ambients. For less that 45 minutes of work, it is a great promo Andrew and 1 tube lasts along time.
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    Great that you are bringing the testing to Pureoverclock Andrew.

    I have watched some of your other testing threads so I need to ask if you have any specific needs with regard mounting methods? or do we go with our own "favourite way" as long as we describe it.?

    I feel that we should all be using "the pea method" for consistency of results but maybe you have other ideas.

    Also, is ^ Grandpa (above) ^ right that a single mount each time will suffice?
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    I am not YOUR grandpa. What do you mean by single mount grumpster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Great that you are bringing the testing to Pureoverclock Andrew.

    I have watched some of your other testing threads so I need to ask if you have any specific needs with regard mounting methods? or do we go with our own "favourite way" as long as we describe it.?

    I feel that we should all be using "the pea method" for consistency of results but maybe you have other ideas.

    Also, is ^ Grandpa (above) ^ right that a single mount each time will suffice?

    We will start a separate results thread with instructions, background etc. Single tests are OK, sometimes we do side tests with contact and pressure paper for clarity in a result we do not understand. One enduser on OCUK has been extensively testing a bowed base sink for us with great analysis on his part. These surveys besides being promotional also provide good application and troubleshooting info. and help us refine our marketing message.



    Application Notes -Amount of Applied Compound - FAQ
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    There is always some debate on amount of applied compound to use, our approach is based on a best to worst case scenario with a one size fits all so the user can experience best odds of a successful mount out of the gate without having to redo his mount.
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    Say that Intel has a spec of Flat and parallel // to .002. - At the extreme end you get something like the 2 images of the candidate below, to fill that gap/volume you need .05 ml volume of compound for a 30mm X 30mm area about the size of a grain of rice.
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    Our difference with the rice method comes from the other side of the equation [b]The heat sink base, while many HS bases are good some can be off as much as the IHS and to cover the contingency of irregular contour on both sink & IHS and as few people lap to correct the problem (5%?)and fewer lap to perfection so we add another .05 ml for a total of 0.1ml.
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    Another factor associated with irregular contours is another mil or two layer of compound is added on the high spots depending on the pressure applied. To fill that gap we add another .05 ml for a total recommended amount of 0.15 ml which approx. equals our 5-5.5mm size bead on center.

    IF YOU ARE NOT SURE PEEL BACK THE LABEL TO SEE ML REGISTRATION MARKS AND USE 0.15-0.2ml EXCESS JUST SQUISHES OUT - I HAVE MEASURED THIS WITH A MICROMETER @ 50 PSI AND AT ROOM TEMP YOU REACH 95% OF THE BOND-LINE THICKNESS (BLT) IN TWO HOURS 99% OR MAYBE 1/2 DEGREE OVERNIGHT AFTER THE INITIAL 2 HOURS
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    Thermal compound is a volume application to fill gaps, not one of weight, liquid spread-ability etc. and our opinion is that whatever the compound you still need the equivalent volume to close that gap.
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    Additionally it is important to apply enough compound, because as the paste thins it spreads it reaches a maximum zone where air is reformed into the paste application between the sink and his leading to decreased performance and early compound failure. This effect is well-documented and known as Laplacian Growth AKA cusp formation and viscous fingering.

    Fast Simulation of Laplacian Growth

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    Laplacian Growth in thermal compounds





    Laplacian Growth - a good visual explanation

    http://www.physics.ubc.ca/pitp/archi...s/wiegmann.pdf


    http://innovationcooling.com/applica...structions.htm

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    I'll give it a shot Andrew, I currently use Shin-Etsu and is the best TIM I have come across so far personally so it will be interesting to see what you guys have come up with.

    E-mail sent via your link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drdeath View Post
    I am not YOUR grandpa. What do you mean by single mount grumpster?
    A single application of a given size/volume for a single mount of a heatsink/block to a cpu

    I had in mind maybe mounting with 0.5ml for one test then remounting with 1.0ml for a second test then maybe 1.5ml for a third etc. but the detail shown above kinda says it all.

    Truth is I wanted Andrew to indicate the degree of testing he is looking for.

    It seems that no matter how much testing is done "in the lab", out here in the real world we all have different combinations of kit which can effect previously satisfactory results in a negative fashion. These "giveaways" feed useful data back to the team mixing these wonder tim's allowing them to make adjustments to the brew.

    Since the first time I saw them I think that the slides of a mount on glass are a great indicator for understanding the issue of air in the tim.

    Send as many as you like Andrew, I have some time off in August
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    Seems Like a big on water cooling site what % here are water fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IC Diamond View Post
    Seems Like a big on water cooling site what % here are water fans?
    Andrew, its Jim Baranski aka Dr. Death.... I run 2 x custom water setups. One on the heatmonster I7 930 and one on a Phenom II 980.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    I'll give it a shot Andrew, I currently use Shin-Etsu and is the best TIM I have come across so far personally so it will be interesting to see what you guys have come up with.

    E-mail sent via your link.
    Shin Etsu is one of the more competitive compounds



    Sample is small though only 14 tests, generall need around 30-40 samples for a 95% confidence. I do have some on OCUK from the Corsair stock paste that they tell me is the better of the two Available Shin Etsu I am aware of but have not been able to confirm, but if it is it will bump the average up to -2c in favor of ICD but still not 30+ samples I would like to see to say it was a good number



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    Quote Originally Posted by Drdeath View Post
    Thanks Andrew. If you guys never noticed, I use IC Diamond 24 Karat in all my reviews! The TIM is Great!


    LOL, the wall of shame! I have made the women wall of shame many times and it is not pretty! On the serious side, it is fun testing 2 different tims. All you need to do is a 15 minute run on prime95 blend at the same ambients. For less that 45 minutes of work, it is a great promo Andrew and 1 tube lasts along time.
    one tube is not enough for guys like us

    Quote Originally Posted by IC Diamond View Post
    Seems Like a big on water cooling site what % here are water fans?
    we have few members on water but not the mass as on the other sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drdeath View Post
    Andrew, its Jim Baranski aka Dr. Death.... I run 2 x custom water setups. One on the heatmonster I7 930 and one on a Phenom II 980.

    Apogee XT/Heatkiller 3.0
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    He was asking about the quantity of watercooling user, not to list your hardware. Showoff as usual ain't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IC Diamond View Post
    Seems Like a big on water cooling site what % here are water fans?
    I couldn't give an exact percentage but it's fairly high for the regular members I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    one tube is not enough for guys like us


    we have few members on water but not the mass as on the other sites.


    He was asking about the quantity of watercooling user, not to list your hardware. Showoff as usual ain't we?
    Stop kickin me Tony. I will have to smack ya if ua do that one more time and it will not be pretty!

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    Who is on water? I have 4 on water, 2 on air..... 3 if you count the router.

    I am sure this will come up later but my 2 air rigs are fitted HDT coolers ...methodology /volumes for those must surely be different. I'm not sure I want to mess with those....that would mean removing all the dust
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Who is on water? I have 4 on water, 2 on air..... 3 if you count the router.

    I am sure this will come up later but my 2 air rigs are fitted HDT coolers ...methodology /volumes for those must surely be different. I'm not sure I want to mess with those....that would mean removing all the dust
    For water cooling I would like to get a range of sample tested with some Contact and Pressure paper, the same as what was used in this review

    http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18256447

    Our reason for it was was a statistical cluster of results related to convex WB - in the chart below the WB are marked in red. The Corsair blocks were generally better and marked in green. I would like to increase the sample size and see whether the trend holds up and alsoas a test of my analysis below.




    below a link to a review where the reviewer lapped the base and combined with paste had an overall improvement of 5C - also have another guy on a giveaway @ ocuk up to 7 C improvement lapping bowed base and IHS he also does a great analysis on the contact problem.


    http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18256447


    This is my take on it, from the endusers contact analysis my response

    Enduser overlay of his bowed sink contact pattern on his IHS




    Key thing to remember - increased contact does not increase pressure, but generally increased pressure will increase contact. Pressure is the more dominant of the two.

    Let's flip the problem, In engineering a common device used to limit heat flow to sensitive components in an assembly is a “Heat Dam” shown here in figure #3 Where the heat flow is “thermally choked” by reducing the contact area to material limitations. Restricted heat flows with misaligned contact, too little contact, too little pressure, too little compound anything that can restrict heat flow creates a heat dam.

    Heat flows on a differential from hot to cold but if you are thermally choked at a point in the thermal cascade downstream improvements in thermal conductivity offers little difference in performance and shows up as reduced deltas of only a degree or so between compounds or what I sometimes refer to as homogenized test results.

    Now back to your situation, your analysis of having contact in the right area is correct rather than forcing the heat flow across the IHS to the sink which is a thermally choked condition pushing to the material limit of the copper.

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    You will likely know the typical characteristics of i7 920, 950 and 2600k I have all copper EK HF's fitted (the SB has the easymount) and would be happy to do any extended testing that you need with this gear. This would maybe allow some of the others here to run simpler testing with their samples.

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