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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Hello people, I am here thanks to bullydog who is the pusher of my start in the art water cooling. And yes, I have just inherited his beautiful Nickel plated HK 3.0 and have been trying to pick his brains ever since...

    OK, the issue is that my 2500K (at 4.5GHz ~1.280V load) idles very nicely with EIST/C1E around 28-31C all cores (CPU Digital Thermal Sensors as read by hwinfo64) but load temps (which is more impt) seems to have improved only a little over the Antec Kuhler 620 I was using - readings of 60-65C now vs 65-70C previously.

    Perhaps I am expecting too much from water but the funny thing is that to my finger everything feels cold - the HK block feels cold, the rad feels cold so somehow the heat does not seem to be transferring well from the chip to the block or... maybe the DTS readings are just too far off.

    So I double checked with my cheapo IR heat gun on the test rig when running LinX. While hwinfo64 reported temps of 59-65C CPU DTS on the cores, below is what the IR gun reported

    1. Side (bottom half) of HK block 35C
    2. Top of HK block 32C
    3. Radiator Inlet from block 30C
    4. Swiftech Micro-res 30C

    Seems my finger is reporting correctly since the IR gun reports everything as being below human body temperature.

    So far, I have remounted both CPU and block, re-oriented the block, re-applied TIM repeated times, also tried out on another mobo but the load temps remained roughly the same. lol

    Would appreciate your thoughts and thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920


    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    My load temps are not that fantastic, I'm getting mid 60s on 1.36v for 4.7ghz overclock, I'm not sure if my MCP35X is maxing out due to the 2x GTX580 cards I have. But i remember my temps were much better than that when i had only 1 graphics card
    I think it's about right if you have high ambient temp. Do you know the Delta Temp for your coolant?
    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    Thanks Dr D, i believe the antec 920 is about the same as the basic Corsair H50 unit. I'm waiting for the Koolance 370 review as that is a block I've been waiting to know more about
    I reviewed it 2-3 months ago


    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    Why ahead of you Kip, I asked for the Raystorm block 8 days ago, Tony should have received his sample by now.
    As I told you, it wouldn't get here until after our Thanksgiving weekend.


    Quote Originally Posted by alan1476 View Post
    I own it for about 6 months and have not done a cleaning yet. But I check it on a regular basis and look for bubble and any sort of dirt or build up thast might occur, I wont have to worry about this with the H-100, and I bet the Antec 920 might be better than the H-100, just my guess, I really have no idea until I read Stans review.
    You don't have to look for bubble everyday after it's bled.
    How to know when it's time to do the maintenance?
    ​When you see the temperature suddenly drop on you which is mean your block has a build up. If you use proper coolant it will last you over a year.


    Quote Originally Posted by MacClipper View Post
    Hello people, I am here thanks to bullydog who is the pusher of my start in the art water cooling. And yes, I have just inherited his beautiful Nickel plated HK 3.0 and have been trying to pick his brains ever since...
    Welcome to PUREOC! and don't believe Bully says anything about me....I don't carry any disease, everything you got it was from him

    Quote Originally Posted by MacClipper View Post
    OK, the issue is that my 2500K (at 4.5GHz ~1.280V load) idles very nicely with EIST/C1E around 28-31C all cores (CPU Digital Thermal Sensors as read by hwinfo64) but load temps (which is more impt) seems to have improved only a little over the Antec Kuhler 620 I was using - readings of 60-65C now vs 65-70C previously.
    load temps are the same as my and I'm sure is the same as Bully too....because the chip is throttle down when it has no load.

    Ok, if you load temp is 65C with HK 3.0 vs 61C with CPU-370 (mine) then it's about right since you have higher ambient temp.
    However, your temps are still not that good if you compare to Kuhler 620 and your 4.5Ghz, 1.280v vs 5Ghz, 1.50v, thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacClipper View Post

    So I double checked with my cheapo IR heat gun on the test rig when running LinX. While hwinfo64 reported temps of 59-65C CPU DTS on the cores, below is what the IR gun reported

    1. Side (bottom half) of HK block 35C
    2. Top of HK block 32C
    3. Radiator Inlet from block 30C
    4. Swiftech Micro-res 30C

    Seems my finger is reporting correctly since the IR gun reports everything as being below human body temperature.

    So far, I have remounted both CPU and block, re-oriented the block, re-applied TIM repeated times, also tried out on another mobo but the load temps remained roughly the same. lol

    Would appreciate your thoughts and thanks in advance.

    Mac
    Unfortunately, the IR thermometer is only good on the surface of the object that you want to measure, it's not underneath.
    Is there anyway you can measure the delta temp of your coolant?

    You should have at least from 5-10C in Delta if your system working proper.

    What is your radiator fans speed?

    GTX360 loves high fan speeds, so crank it up.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    OK gulp... rushes to read up on D-T... I am back.

    My radiator receives from the CPU and outputs to the Mircro-res which was measured at 30C
    Did a few spot measurements on a few objects in my room like my table top, handphone.. also 30C

    My loop is running on an open air test rig and goes like this
    CPU -> Rad -> Res -> Pump -> back to CPU

    btw, I had 3 x 1850 rpm Scythe GT fans on the rad initially and then swapped to slower quieter fans to see if it made any difference to the load temps but nope, same as before - not higher not lower.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    I think you temp is about right since you have 30C ambient which your coolant load temp should be around 35-40C. I'm considering it's very warm.

    I'm little buzz on your DIY temp vs sealed kit temp through. However, your CPU temp wouldn't change much if you have a GPU added to the loop.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Correct me if I am wrong but the important thing here is that its maintaing these temps under load like its supposed to, dont you agree?

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    Hi Alan, The Antec 920 does not have a 240 rad like the H100, it's built more like the H80. I'm loaded with samples, so I may send the H80 and 920 to Vinny to review, the costs of shipping to Canada is just to expensive.
    And does the H-80 have the same size Rad as the H60, because my H-60 just went belly up and I need to buy a new unit, now my conundrum is that the H-100 would have to go in the top of my Corsair 650D, the H-80 might be able to fit in the back of the case like the H-60 in Push / Pull. I am not sure about the H-60 going completely belly up but the fans stopped, ( checked the BIOS aand all fans are full on) and the Rad get so hot you cant touch it. My temps at idle jumped to over 70c. So I am replacing the whole unit.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    @Vinny; yes but we try to figure out why his custom build only 5C better than a sealed kit.

    @Mac; make sure there is no air bubbles trap inside the rad. Did you bleed it properly?

    well, this is a problem with sealed kits, if the pump goes then the kit gone. You can't just replace the pump only like DIY build systems. Even if they sell the replacement pump/block combo, it's not easy to do it yourself if you don't have the skill.

    There you go, there are pros and cons between sealed kit vs DIY system.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Thiink the setup should have been properly cleared of air by now, it's already been running in almost total silence (definitely big improvement over the Kuhler 620 here) for over a week.

    If you look at the temps I posted earlier, the only part with high temps at load is the CPU (as reported by the DTS if the DTS can be trusted) while all else remained cool even the HK block. So the bottleneck seems to be the transfer of heat from the CPU to the HK block itself. Maybe let me paraphrased the IR gun results on load for a clearer impression.

    My loop is running on an open air test rig (ambient 30C) and goes like this
    CPU -> Rad -> Res -> Pump -> back to CPU

    CPU DTS - 60-65C
    HK 3.0 block - 32-35C
    Rad - 30C
    Microres - 30C

    Clearly either the DTS reports are off or the heat transfer is being bottlenecked at the CPU -> Block interface. When I was running the Kulhler 620, the rad definitely feels hot to my hand when the DTS reports over 60C on load.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    As I mentioned, your temps probably right since you have 30C ambient air.

    FYI, here is a comparison chart that I did a long time ago. Keep in mind this is a single rad with i7 920.
    Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920-tempcomparet.jpg

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Guess my expectations of custom water cooling were a little too high... thanks for all the posts guys!

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    You had the Kuhler 620 ? Bully said the 920 which would have given you better results than the 620, but it is kinds strange that your only seeing a 5c drop in temps between the 620 and your current setup.
    Did you flush the Rad before filling it with coolant?

    Alan, the Rad on the H80 is a lot thicker than the H60, I have both units here, it's also thicker than the H100 Rad. As far as your H60, I kinda doubt that the whole unit went bad, and even if it did, it's less than a year old, so Corsair should replace it for free.
    Have you tried using a different power connection to see if the unit powers up ? I would also check the fan and make sure it's not the fan that went bad.
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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    You had the Kuhler 620 ? Bully said the 920 which would have given you better results than the 620, but it is kinds strange that your only seeing a 5c drop in temps between the 620 and your current setup.
    Did you flush the Rad before filling it with coolant?

    Alan, the Rad on the H80 is a lot thicker than the H60, I have both units here, it's also thicker than the H100 Rad. As far as your H60, I kinda doubt that the whole unit went bad, and even if it did, it's less than a year old, so Corsair should replace it for free.
    Have you tried using a different power connection to see if the unit powers up ? I would also check the fan and make sure it's not the fan that went bad.
    There are 2 fans , one behind the rad and one in front. Then there is the black wire that comes from the Corsair pump that should go to a 3 pin connector , you know my eyes are bad but it seems that the CPU Fan connector on the motherboard has a 4 pin connector like the case fan connectors and then end of the multi colored fan wires are 3 pin connectors. I am sort of lost here, it was working fine. I am a dunce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacClipper View Post
    Guess my expectations of custom water cooling were a little too high... thanks for all the posts guys!
    The biggest difference between tourist WaCo units and custom WaCo, is expandability. When in doubt, throw a Mo-Ra at it. Custom WaCo won't get you sub-ambients. But it can get you within a few degrees of ambient. It's just takes a little bit of MASSIVE OVERKILL. That's all. It's easy.

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    Don't miss understood Earth sub-ambient temp. I was talking about your coolant temp not the CPU temp.
    Bigger rad surface can bring the coolant within 3C to ambient with slow fan speeds, your system almost near silent.

    My RX360 gives me 4-5C with 1200RPM fans on a CPU only. If I throw in a GPU then the coolant temp will increase by 1-2C and I also have to increase the fans speed.
    However, Earth's system wouldn't have any effects because his rad is capable to dissipate more heat than a standard triple rad. His rad is 3x the size to a 360mm rad. That what he talked about overkill.

    In winter time he's actually can heat up his bed room while playing games

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    Mac has another Mcp655, what if he adds it into the loop? Will that
    Help in terms of improving his temps?

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    Default Re: Custom watercooling vs Antec Kuhler 920

    he wouldn't see in big different since he has only one block.

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