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    Default Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    OK, here it is - I'm putting together a parts list based on the Corsair 760T in white and Corsair 140mm and 120mm fans in purple. I will continue to use the Phanteks PH-TC14CS from my current system, however, I want to change it's fan to something 140mm and all black or all white to provide some kind of contrast to the purple glow. I've narrowed it down to BitFenix, Xigmatek, who have both colors, and Phanteks in white only. Being the type of cooler it is, downdraft orientation, which would the be the better choice, high CFM or high static pressure?

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Static Pressure with LOW NOISE.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Thanks for the quick reply! When it comes to where I shop, logistics determine where my $ goes. New Egg is that choice, because - a...warehouse is about 5 miles from home, b...they have a "will call" office there, so, when shipping is involved, that negates it. Sooo, my choices are the Phanteks PH-F140HP or BitFenix Spectre Pro P14025WW-RP. Alternative suggestions are welcome.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystikhol9 View Post
    my choices are the Phanteks PH-F140HP or BitFenix Spectre Pro P14025WW-RP

    Of the two, I like the Phanteks best.

    Cougar fans are really good and they're quiet too. (my favorite)

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Hey, works for me. Normally, I'm not too picky about, well, anything, but when this gets done, (between now and Christmas, I have a birthday, 51, anniversary, 30th, and BLACK FRIDAY!) I'll be looking at it for the next 18 - 24 months. So Cougar's orange coloring doesn't match up with purple and white very well, seem to be good fans though from some of the reviews I read.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    There are black ones too

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Saw them, but the orange tabs kind of stood out so that killed it for me. Like I was saying about being picky up there, when I do get picky, it's like fingernails and chalkboards to me if even a little thing is off.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    lots of choices Phanteks would be my first choice

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    I bought a few of them and used a black Sharpie on the corners.

    Most of mine are Orange and they work so well that I don't care about the color.

    You may want to look at the Enermax TB Silence fans too. They're quiet and move a lot of air. You'll like how they look.
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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    After thinking it over this would be the perfect fan for you check it out

    http://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/260

    Silent Wings 2 PWM
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    Air pressure @ 12V (mm H2O)0.81
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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Personally, I would do the Phanteks 140HP without thinking twice. The Cougars and be quiet are both great fans, also, but will not match the 140HP in terms of overall performance on the CS.

    Something else you need to be mindful of, the TC14CS uses a 140mm fan, but requires 120mm mount spacing using the factory mount. The 140HP has this while the Cougar and BQ do not and would require you to make some type of adapter.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    What Ciarlantano said.

    Just be sure it is the 4-pin PWM version.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    Quote Originally Posted by doyll View Post
    What Ciarlantano said.

    Just be sure it is the 4-pin PWM version.
    The HP is the PWM with 120mm mounting made specifically for coolers. The XP is PWM, SP 3-pin, with standard 140mm mounting. The SP is the fan used in the Enthoo cases, the XP is physically the same but with PWM control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    The HP is the PWM with 120mm mounting made specifically for coolers. The XP is PWM, SP 3-pin, with standard 140mm mounting. The SP is the fan used in the Enthoo cases, the XP is physically the same but with PWM control.
    The reason I said to be sure the PH-F140HP you get is 4-pin is because Phanteks has made and distributed two versions of the PH-F140HP fan out there .. and to the best of my knowledge they only way to tell them apart is look at the fan plug; 3-pin is voltage control and 4-pin is PWM.

    The first PH-F140HP fans were not PWM .. and Phanteks did not change the part number when they changed them to PWM.

    Their website still shows the 140mm fans included with coolers as:
    "PH-F140 Premium Fan with PWM Adapter". Some of the PH-F140HP fans out there are 3-pin and some 4-pin .. same as some of the coolers now being sold have 3-pin PH-F140HP fans and some have 4-pin PWM fans.

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    That's pretty much the reason I'm going with this fan. The fans that came with the cooler are three pin with the four pin adapter. As for the brackets, all else should be the same.

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    Default Re: Downdraft Type Air cooler - CFM or Static Pressure?

    I have found that more ofthen than not flowing air away from motherboard instead of toward results in lower temps .. usually 4-8c is cooler. Reason is air flowing toward turns out at motherboard, turns up at GPU, RAM, I/O housings, etc & is drawn back into fan as it goes past. Air flowing away first flows across motherboard, through cooler and fan, and on out of case. This is even true testing on a bench.

    Bench testing AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pushing in
    Tested with i7 920 stock (130w CPU)
    Handbrake @ realtime

    Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
    21.5c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2400rpm 28.0c . . 67-68-67-66c 2400rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c
    22.0c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2250rpm 28.0c . . 68-68-69-67c 2250rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c . . 30.0c
    22.5c . . . . . . . . . 36-35-39-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 2000rpm . 40.0c . . 39c . . 51c
    22.5c . . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1750rpm 29.5c . . 72-73-73-71c 1750rpm . 43.0c . . 40c . . 54c
    22.5c . . . . . . . . ; 35-35-39-34c 1500rpm 30.0c . . 76-78-77-75c 1500rpm . 47.0c . . 40c . . 57c
    23.0c . . . . . . . . . 37-36-41-36c 1200rpm 31.0c; 39c & 46c mobo & NB
    2400rpm is maximum rpm mounted pushing in
    *Temperature of air 30mm above TY-100

    I re-ran a couple of the fan pushing in tests. Intake air is much warmer than room ambient.. like 8c warmer!.

    AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pulling out
    Tested with i7 920 stock (130w CPU)
    Handbrake @ realtime

    Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
    21.5c . . . . . . . . 32-31-35-31c 2450rpm 26.0c . . 62-62-63-61c 2450rpm . 33.5c . . 34c . . 46c
    21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-31-35-31c 2250rpm 25.5c . . 63-64-65-63c 2250rpm . 34.5c . . 37c . . 45c
    21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-32-37-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 64-65-65-64c 2000rpm . 35.5c . . 34c . . 48c
    21.5c . . . . . . . . 35-34-39-34c 1750rpm 28.5c . . 66-67-66-65c 1750rpm . 37.5c . . 35c . . 50c
    21.5c . . . . . . . . 34-33-38-32c 1500rpm 27.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 1500rpm . 39.5c . . 34c . . 51c
    21.0c . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1200rpm 28.0c; 34c & 47c mobo & NB
    *I neglected to put a probe under cooler, sorry.
    . 2450rpm is maximum rpm mounted pulling out


    Running TY-100 pushing in and find the heat difference is because of air temperature over cooler / fan intake. Running at 2400rpm the air 30mm above AXP-100 is 28.5c with 22c ambient. That's with a TY-140 40cm away and 15cm above work top blowing 22c ambient over test setup. It also shows in the exhaust temp readings with TY-100 pushing into cooler.
    doyll
    Another example of why testing proceedure needs to use cooler intake air temperature, not room temperature!
    Last edited by doyll; 11-07-2014 at 04:17.

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