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    Default Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    i wonder how well these perform. looking forward to a review of these. i wonder if these will give Swiftech a run for the money.

    http://www.fractal-design.com/home/p.../water-cooling


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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    I like the looks.

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    I like the looks.
    me too
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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    That'd cool. Would look killer in my fractal case.
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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by TeeBlack View Post
    i wonder how well these perform. looking forward to a review of these. i wonder if these will give Swiftech a run for the money.
    There are a couple of reviews up on European sites. Performance is better than a CLC thanks to the Alphacool rad, not quite up to the Swiftech. Where they really lose out to the Swiftech is in terms of expansion - how are you going to expand with a 72 lph (0.32 gpm) pump with ~1m of head pressure? That pump is CLC bad.

    This is "expandable" like the Eisberg is expandable. You can change the tubing and fittings, you may be able to add a low restriction rad....but a GPU block will cripple the pump. I really expected more from Fractal.

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    There are a couple of reviews up on European sites. Performance is better than a CLC thanks to the Alphacool rad, not quite up to the Swiftech. Where they really lose out to the Swiftech is in terms of expansion - how are you going to expand with a 72 lph (0.32 gpm) pump with ~1m of head pressure? That pump is CLC bad.

    This is "expandable" like the Eisberg is expandable. You can change the tubing and fittings, you may be able to add a low restriction rad....but a GPU block will cripple the pump. I really expected more from Fractal.
    That is exactly what I was afraid of the first time I saw these. The designed seemed to focus on a low profile block which limits the pumps that could be installed. 72lph is terribly low for any kind of expansion. To put it into perspective the Glacier 220L is rated at 165lph with a 2.65m head. These are less than Half in both departments. No way you can expand this in any helpful way.
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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    So this is a Bubba-No-Buy?

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    These looks like cool kits, if you are able to get one for review I wouldn't mind reviewing the triple rad model.
    This can be a good comparison for the Thermaltake CLC Triple Rad system.

    From what I had read, the system is nice, but pump is the weak link here as some of you mentioned.
    But would be interesting to see how well it will do.

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    There are a couple of reviews up on European sites. Performance is better than a CLC thanks to the Alphacool rad, not quite up to the Swiftech. Where they really lose out to the Swiftech is in terms of expansion - how are you going to expand with a 72 lph (0.32 gpm) pump with ~1m of head pressure? That pump is CLC bad.

    This is "expandable" like the Eisberg is expandable. You can change the tubing and fittings, you may be able to add a low restriction rad....but a GPU block will cripple the pump. I really expected more from Fractal.
    but is it ok just as a regular aio if you not expanding it? or is the pump that weak that we shouldnt bother?
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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by killjoyjim View Post
    I like the looks.
    Me too, but I wish they had announced a "BlackOut" edition!

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by TeeBlack View Post
    but is it ok just as a regular aio if you not expanding it? or is the pump that weak that we shouldnt bother?
    Like I said, it's better than any CLC around - and the pump is better than any CLC around excepting the Neptons. But....why bother when you can have a Swiftech for right about the same price?

    And speaking of expansion....even if you just wanted to cut down the tubes to look good in the case you are going to have to add a reservoir....because the Kelvins don't have one. Or, you could simply try to fill and bleed without one, which will likely result in you smashing the Kelvin to bits with a hammer prior to hurling it into the nearest dumpster. Now that I noticed that, I am even more disappointed in Fractal.

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    So this is a Bubba-No-Buy?
    If you are using it with realistic expectations then by all means buy it. don't buy it thinking you are going to add an extra rad, gpu or board blocks with decent performance. Using it as it comes is really the only good option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    Like I said, it's better than any CLC around - and the pump is better than any CLC around excepting the Neptons. But....why bother when you can have a Swiftech for right about the same price?

    And speaking of expansion....even if you just wanted to cut down the tubes to look good in the case you are going to have to add a reservoir....because the Kelvins don't have one. Or, you could simply try to fill and bleed without one, which will likely result in you smashing the Kelvin to bits with a hammer prior to hurling it into the nearest dumpster. Now that I noticed that, I am even more disappointed in Fractal.
    It has a dedicated fill port.......on the side of the pump block. which will help lead to then an all out . Didnt catch the res thing either until you mentioned it. You will also have to be very careful when selecting fittings if you wanted to change them out. Very close to the fan housing. Seems like the swiftech variants would be the safer and smarter move if you want to expand.
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    It may surprise you with its performance! will have to wait and see!

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Seems like the swiftech variants would be the safer and smarter move if you want to expand.
    Ya think?

    Quote Originally Posted by vinman View Post
    It may surprise you with its performance! will have to wait and see!
    Oh....I think the Kelvin has given us enough surprises already....

    But, I'm still just in shock. Fractal has done so much right to this point. I keep hoping they are going to say that they left a "2" off the front of the lph spec....or that the lph and head pressure are with the pump at 1200 rpm and it actually is 3500 rpm at full speed.

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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    looks like the Kelvin coolers will not be sold in North America for the time being due to Asetek patent trolling again. smh......i swear Asetek is acting like Apple with all these stupid lawsuits. instead of suing other companies make some innovative so there is no competition.
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    Default Re: Fractal Design Kelvin Series AIO Water Cooling System

    Quote Originally Posted by TeeBlack View Post
    looks like the Kelvin coolers will not be sold in North America for the time being due to Asetek patent trolling again. smh......i swear Asetek is acting like Apple with all these stupid lawsuits. instead of suing other companies make some innovative so there is no competition.
    This has been my biggest gripe all along. Asetek is using the patent as a way to keep peddling an inferior platform/product with no competition. No competition means no need to improve it. No need to improve it means they can continue selling the same tired, cheap parts at a premium with a ridiculous profit margin. In other words - they are going to rip off the consumer as long as they can, and now are using a patent law to help them. The fact that consumers bought into what was a farce to begin with, and continue to buy the snake oil, only helps them.

    Thankfully, on more and more forums over the last few months I see more and more people waking up and abandoning their CLCs in favor of real water or air. The resulting posts are always the same "better cooling and its sooooooooo much quieter!". Why is that? Well, because while Asetek refuses to improve their product and cut into their profit margin, but companies like Cryorig, Noctua, Swiftech, XSPC, Thermalright, Phanteks and Alphacool have.

    Even on the CLC front, Cooler Master put together the new Neptons with a pump that can move an adequate amount of liquid, a decent block and some really nice new fans designed especially for the application. The result was a 240M that outperforms any Asetek or CoolIt made unit with far less noise. Any wonder why Cooler Master has been Asetek's primary target of late? Even DeepCool found a workaround with The Captain CLC - yeah, performance on it is awful and it is a bit silly looking, but it is only a matter of time until they get the design to work a bit better.

    Let's not even talk about the Swiftechs.....unless your momma dropped you on your head (hard...and repeatedly) there should be no other AiO line you should even be considering at this moment.

    Simply put, Asetek is trying to create a monopoly and kill any type of competition or innovation. There is no worse thing you could possibly do to the consumer. When you buy an Asetek or CoolIt (face it, they are now in bed together in a cabin on Corsair's little PR sailboat - but somehow you wound up the gimp in there) made product, not only are you buying the worst cost/performance and noise/performance option available, you are helping to make sure that is your only option.

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