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    Default Glacer 240L ... dying?

    All,

    I only recently dipped my toes in the whole Water Cooling thing, and purchased a Glacer 240L, while I worked up the nerve to do an custom loop...still not there, but perhaps beginning to take it a bit more seriously...

    So. Today, whilst reading about somebodies inverted 600T, I noticed that my pump is significantly louder than normal. Not as loud as when I have a full blu-ray transcode going on, but noticeable. Previously, it was all but silent when operating.

    Core temps on my 4770 as I type are running at about 27-28C with an ambient case temp around 28-30C.

    The Fans appear to be running at a normal RPM, the only thing odd is that the noise from the pump is significantly more audible. While laying on the floor with my awesome head lamp on and looking into the case, everything appears to be in place, there are no signs of leakage, and the pump is pumping, or at least making noise. I flipped the fan on my PSU over from virtually off to on (Seasonic Platinum 660XP) and cleaned the filters on my intake fans.

    There were some gurgling sounds (a few, non-continuous), so I'm wondering if I have air in the system. I know this is a CLC, and it's been operating fine for months, so I'm reluctant to detach the radiator and attempt to bleed it.

    Does anyone here have any experience with this particular AIO, or suggestions? I mean ultimately, I want to go with an XPSC or EK based system (still reading/learning), but I wasn't planning on doing it this week!

    In the meantime, I'm going to launch CIV 5 and play a few turns to see what happens (probably nothing), and if that fails maybe launch a Handbrake code to see whether I melt down or not...

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    I know this is a CLC
    But....it's not a CLC, and that is working to your benefit here. It sounds like you have had a little fluid evaporation, no cause for panic. All you need to do is open up the fill port and add a little distilled water until it is full. You may need to run the pump and repeat a couple of times. That should take care of the issue.

    Were it actually a CLC, you would be ordering a new one right now.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    But....it's not a CLC, and that is working to your benefit here. It sounds like you have had a little fluid evaporation, no cause for panic. All you need to do is open up the fill port and add a little distilled water until it is full. You may need to run the pump and repeat a couple of times. That should take care of the issue.

    Were it actually a CLC, you would be ordering a new one right now.

    I agree with this guy. Take it slow.
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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    I agree with this guy. Take it slow.
    All Ahead Slow.

    Yup. Keeping an eye on it now. Temps are staying in the normal range, and dropped from the mid 40's right back to 28 or so immediately after shutting down my game. I think I'm being a bit hypersensitive...or, I'm looking for an excuse to upgrade...<grin>

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    But....it's not a CLC, and that is working to your benefit here. It sounds like you have had a little fluid evaporation, no cause for panic. All you need to do is open up the fill port and add a little distilled water until it is full. You may need to run the pump and repeat a couple of times. That should take care of the issue.

    Were it actually a CLC, you would be ordering a new one right now.
    Yes, of course. It's sold as an AIO, and I kind of leaped to the immediate and incorrect conclusion that this meant it was a CLC, but you are absolutely correct, it does indeed have ports and is marketed as being expandable, so..well. <sigh>.

    In any case, my ignorance aside, I'll pick up some distilled water on Friday (assuming I want to risk the madness of the shopping center), but given it is performing pretty much as normal, I'll secure from Panic Stations.

    Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Even though it may still be performing as normal I'd still keep an eye on your temps and ESPECIALLY for any other sudden changes in the audible quality of the pump, up to and including the pump going silent entirely. I had a similar issue with one version of my Glacer 240L where the pump suddenly got louder, then eventually built enough physical resistance in the unit that it caused my PC to shut down due to excessive current starting to run through the SATA connector powering the pump (resistance in a circuit will cause said circuit to want to try and get more power to perform the same task). I heard from Cooler Master that early revisions of this pump were known to have reliability issues for one reason or another... got it RMA'd, haven't had any issues with it since and it runs like a dream. Frankly I can't see the need to replace a unit like this with anything else unless you are dead set on wanting something that has a bit more "bling" to it since the pump for this cooler is actually pretty decent for adding in at least one more radiator and a GPU block.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Thanks! Got my ear on it, and my eyeballs too. I've got a core temp monitor (Psensor) up on one of my screens at all times, and it appears to be performing "normally".

    Just started a Handbrake Run to see what happens. Noise from the pump seems normal for this load Cores (0-3) are running around 55C with peaks around 57C. The System monitor is reporting CPU Utilization of all 8 threads at around 90-97% depending on Core/Thread.

    Temps on the cores are pretty stable. Core 3 seems to be running a bit cooler @ 48-50C, Core 0, 1, 2 are hovering around 55C.

    The Pump RPM is around 1465 and relatively stable (1448-1468), but I don't know how much of that variation is measurement uncertainty. Sadly, with running Linux, I don't have the MSI software to monitor the onboard rail currents in real time, so I'm not sure if I'm pulling more current than usual to run the pump.

    The base clock of this machine is set to 4GHz.

    Everything seems stable. Temps are right in line with what I normally see, and I'm not seeing any sort of runaway temp rise that would indicate the pump is not performing.

    I will definitely keep an ear on it though. As for replacing it, well...I don't really want to *this week*, however a custom cooling loop is in the cards. Not particularly for *bling*, but just because, well, I'd like to try it out. The Glacer is nice, but those RayStorm waterblocks and XSPC resevoirs are looking pretty tempting...LOL

    Whoah. The pump just ramped to 1950 RPM in a very short spike, and all the CPU Temps spiked up to 71/72C (except Core 3, who stubbornly peaked @ 67C). Lasted maybe a 2 seconds, then everything ramped back down...WTF?

    Really strange. Turbostat didn't even note a spike in CPU Usage.

    Hmmm.

    I think I'm going to suspend handbrake for now. I'll try to get some distilled water and bleed/top it up Friday this weekend.

    Thanks for the tips and relating your experience with your Glacer. I'll definitely keep an eye on this thing. I want to upgrade *eventually* but certainly not this weekend!!!

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    I would just stay optimistic about it, get some distilled water and top it up. After its all topped off and you cycle the pump a few times, if there is still a grinding gurgling noise after bubbles stop surfacing, you can try to RMA it. The WORST case scenario, you may have to lubricate the pump, which isnt fun, but can be done with a bit of know how.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Haha! I've had two of these die on me. The good news for you, both times for me the pump never got louder. It would just stop, possibly airlocked, I would have to turn off, restart the computer a few times, shake a bit, before it would come back on. The second time, it got to a point I couldn't get the pump to run again no matter what system I was plugged in to. So it sounds like since yours doesn't have any problems actually running, what everyone else is saying is spot on.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post

    Whoah. The pump just ramped to 1950 RPM in a very short spike, and all the CPU Temps spiked up to 71/72C (except Core 3, who stubbornly peaked @ 67C). Lasted maybe a 2 seconds, then everything ramped back down...WTF?

    Really strange. Turbostat didn't even note a spike in CPU Usage.
    The pump responded to the temp increase, that is all. The CPU was doing something. Relax, all will be fine.

    One other note - How are you controlling the pump and fans? Are both running off the same PWM signal? If you have a way to separate them and can set the curve of the pump to have a low of ~1700 rpm, do so. Swiftech has stated that even though the 240L/H220 pump is capable of lower speeds, it is much happier running over 1600rpm. Most of the early 240L issues were created by the PWM signal causing the pump to run too slowly. There really isn't a difference in noise between 1400 and 1700 rpm as you already know.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    The pump responded to the temp increase, that is all. The CPU was doing something. Relax, all will be fine.

    One other note - How are you controlling the pump and fans? Are both running off the same PWM signal? If you have a way to separate them and can set the curve of the pump to have a low of ~1700 rpm, do so. Swiftech has stated that even though the 240L/H220 pump is capable of lower speeds, it is much happier running over 1600rpm. Most of the early 240L issues were created by the PWM signal causing the pump to run too slowly. There really isn't a difference in noise between 1400 and 1700 rpm as you already know.
    It is also possible the pump was running on an air bubble. Pumps speed up dramatically when there is no water in them .. Also the lack of water means they overheat and damage the impeller and/or bearing/seal and die.

    I would suggest making sure it is full of coolant as soon as possible to avoid possible damage to pump. You can use water from a dehumidifier or even from the frost in fridge or freezer, windows, etc. Boil the tea kettle and trap the steam water as it condenses. That is all distilled water is.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by doyll View Post
    It is also possible the pump was running on an air bubble. Pumps speed up dramatically when there is no water in them .. Also the lack of water means they overheat and damage the impeller and/or bearing/seal and die.

    I would suggest making sure it is full of coolant as soon as possible to avoid possible damage to pump. You can use water from a dehumidifier or even from the frost in fridge or freezer, windows, etc. Boil the tea kettle and trap the steam water as it condenses. That is all distilled water is.
    Very possible, but the 240L typically makes some brief serious aquarium noises when that happens.

    Getting the fill is imperative, but I would wait until a bottle of distilled water can be obtained.

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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    Quote Originally Posted by TCC View Post
    I would just stay optimistic about it, get some distilled water and top it up. After its all topped off and you cycle the pump a few times, if there is still a grinding gurgling noise after bubbles stop surfacing, you can try to RMA it. The WORST case scenario, you may have to lubricate the pump, which isnt fun, but can be done with a bit of know how.
    Thanks. I shut it down not long after my last post last night, and on boot up, its still seems to be working OK. It'll be on light use for the next few days anyway, and I'll certainly be able to get some coolant/distilled water @ MicroCenter or the Grocery.

    Lubing the pump could be interesting...LOL

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    Thanks! I'm pretty confident it is running OK, I figure everyone has been right on the money with the slightly low fluid observation.

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    I'm having a lot of problems with my Glacer 240L. Makes a lot of pump noise, gurgling sounds and Temps randomly spike. I hate this thing and wish I never would have bought it.
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    Default Re: Glacer 240L ... dying?

    So...update.

    I did learn that I was looking at the wrong RPM meter on PSENSOR, it seems my pump is running between 0 & 3668 RPM. The 620 RPM reported earlier appears to be the radiator fans.

    This morning, it started halting. I managed to get some distilled water, and bled it the best I could while topping up. It only took a few millilitres, but I did hear a bit of air bleed out when I opened the fill port, this lends credence to the air lock theory, as does the 0 RPM periods. I'm guessing the pump was ramping up trying to push fluid, and an air bubble blocked it. Pressure ramped up, and the pump halted, then a few seconds later restarted. Pressure ramped up...and so on.

    Once I started it back up, it began operating even worse (<10% duty cycle on the fan), with a lot of 0 RPM time. However, after a few minutes running with the CPU basically at IDLE, the Pump has settled down to a steady state 1370-1380 RPM.

    Core temps are 23-28C and relatively stable. Case ambient appears to be 28C.

    Pump noise is all but gone.

    Hold it...a few more spikes. It might be OK, but I'm going to have to let it run for awhile to see if it is truly settling down.

    Think I'm going to start planning my custom loop, and if all else fails, I'll fall back to the Intel Fan and drop my overclock back to stock cycles.

    Thanks all for the advice & suggestions!

    Speaking of which, I'm open to suggestions on Pumps/Waterblocks/Radiators. My hardware is linked in my profile, the only thing to note is that I only have 1 5.25" bay available, as I use an optical drive to convert my Blu-Rays for media server. There is plenty of space in the machine, as I only have 3 SSD's, and two are mounted behind the MB, so there should be plenty of space for a resevoir, I just need to fine one I can install without too much metal work (ideally none!)

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