Mounting Radiator within case or out of case is better?

[bullydog]

Hi i need expert advise i just bought a swiftech H20-220 Compact water cooling kit. Although its not 1 of those that performs like a custom kit...i bought as i falls within my budget and performs well based on the review and inputs ppl have posted on their forums. *Fingers Cross

Becos it comes with a Rad box that allows the Radiator to be mounted out of the case i was wondering if performance will be better when the radiator is mounted out of the case or within the case ? I understand that if its mounted within the case it is exposed to "heat-soak" from the surrounding heat produced by various components but i could be wrong

Thanks again for yr expert advise!!

[12mmChillFactor]

The best position for the pump, in my mind, is inside the case at the level of the socket, while the heatsink should be put onto the rear computer panel outside the case a bit lower than the pump.

but I bet there's someone with another oppinion though...?

[Deton]

congrats on your first WC
You were right about the mounting theory but it's all depends on how well your case air flow, if it has poor air flow then it will hurt the performance.

Just remember this, watercooling performs better when you have lower ambient temp which is mean the rad need cool fresh air to dissipate heat.
I personally like the internal installation (if it is allows), I like the clean look, make the case less bulky. However, Swiftech recommends external mounting because it will perform better than the internal mounting.

Internal vs Extrernal Mounting;
Internal:
Pros: hidden all the tubbing, less bulky case, less noise
Cons: cramp up the case, might need some modding, poor performance if poor air flow

Extrenal:
Pros: better performance, easy to install
Cons: bulky case, expose the tubbing more noise

I hope this help.

Edit: Chillfactor; he was talking about the rad. His pump is a block and pump combination, he has no choic is to mount it on top of the CPU

[bullydog]

Hi Thanks everyone for yr valuable inputs...i shall mount it outside and see how it goes

Swiftech also provided a bottle of mixture to be mixed with distilled water or deionized water... may i know if i can use CAR battery water? Since i was a kid i was told that they are the same ... am i able to use battery water purchased from the Gas station and mix it with the solution that was provided by Swiftech?

or should i get like a specialized bottle of liquid pre-mixed like those popular brands? Fluid XP ?

Many thanks again!!!

[12mmChillFactor]

that i wouldn't know. I've always been told just to use distilled water.

[Deton]

Hi Thanks everyone for yr valuable inputs...i shall mount it outside and see how it goes

Swiftech also provided a bottle of mixture to be mixed with distilled water or deionized water... may i know if i can use CAR battery water? Since i was a kid i was told that they are the same ... am i able to use battery water purchased from the Gas station and mix it with the solution that was provided by Swiftech?

or should i get like a specialized bottle of liquid pre-mixed like those popular brands? Fluid XP ?

Many thanks again!!!

distilled water have no traces of other chemical in it (this will cause build up and corrosion), 100% free of chem. That's why it uses in watercooling.

Battery water? read the bottle make sure it has no traces of other chemical. I bet this sale for more money than the distilled water.
Can you get distilled water in the supermarket where you live?

A bottle of Hydrx is give you 1 liter of mixtured and it's more than enough for your setup (only CPU), you will have a little bit leftover for top it up later on.
Hydrx only cost about $3.00 a bottle + $4.00 of 1Gallon of distilled water (plenty left over here) = $7.00 for mixed coolant. If you buy pre-mixed Fluid XP or etc, it will cost you around $30ish for 32oz bottle I think. Hydrx works very good, it has anti-corrosion in it as well. Unless if you want other then the UV flourescent green then get the other brands.

Isn't your kit comes with black Norprene tubing?
so don't need to wasted money on the other fluid.

[bullydog]

distilled water have no traces of other chemical in it (this will cause build up and corrosion), 100% free of chem. That's why it uses in watercooling.

Battery water? read the bottle make sure it has no traces of other chemical. I bet this sale for more money than the distilled water.
Can you get distilled water in the supermarket where you live?

A bottle of Hydrx is give you 1 liter of mixtured and it's more than enough for your setup (only CPU), you will have a little bit leftover for top it up later on.
Hydrx only cost about $3.00 a bottle + $4.00 of 1Gallon of distilled water (plenty left over here) = $7.00 for mixed coolant. If you buy pre-mixed Fluid XP or etc, it will cost you around $30ish for 32oz bottle I think. Hydrx works very good, it has anti-corrosion in it as well. Unless if you want other then the UV flourescent green then get the other brands.

Isn't your kit comes with black Norprene tubing?
so don't need to wasted money on the other fluid.

Hi Deton... Yes the kit comes with Norprene tubing and its black in color so using UV reactive liquid wont make it look any better ... im trying to google around to find out the contents of car battery water... but dont seem to find much info...

The bottle has a writing indicating "This Battery Water is free of Contaminants and will help to prolong the life of the battery"
So can i use it and mix with the mini bottle of hydrx???

Thanks so much for yr prompt response and help again

[Deton]

So can i use it and mix with the mini bottle of hydrx???

I don't really know, just to make sure there are no other chem in it, you just don't know how the chemical reaction when they mixed together. It's can damage the tubing, pump and the block, rad as well. If you are uncertain then use distilled water and if no distilled water available where you leave then you can use drinking bottled water (reversed osmosis), this is purefied water, I think it is about 90 - 98% or so chemical free.

Thanks so much for yr prompt response and help again

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[bullydog]

I don't really know, just to make sure there are no other chem in it, you just don't know how the chemical reaction when they mixed together. It's can damage the tubing, pump and the block, rad as well. If you are uncertain then use distilled water and if no distilled water available where you leave then you can use drinking bottled water (reversed osmosis), this is purefied water, I think it is about 90 - 98% or so chemical free.


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Hi Deton, yup i have officially thanked you...anyways i'm doing a leak test to my watercooling now been abt 1hr + relized that for the past 1 hr or so the water level in the Radiator seems to me rising very very very slowly...is it trying to expell the bubbles below? This is a Radiator with built in Reservior and its self purging

Darn!!! when i titled my system and installed the water block back on to my CPU and tested i started to hear water splashing around through the loop and on top of my radiator cap the water seemed to be moving around alot like the boiling effect ... and preivously before titling it there was not much splashing sound and the water seemed stagnate on top of the radiator cap... was i running the pump dry for the past 1 hour? But i had a good 400ml of water in there already!

I really hope i did not kill the pump!!! how do i know if the pump is damaged?? it seems to be running fine now... May i know when ur system is on the water in the reservior is sort of like having a boiling effect and the surface not stagnate ?

Thanks

[bullydog]

Running Quad prime now with ambient temps of 30 Degrees without Air conditioning my Temps are Great!!! 65 Degrees across all 4 cores last time i was cruising on something like 75s degree c

With my Air condition turned on and my room temps dropped to about 22 Degrees im definately hoping to hit high 50s

will update again

[Deton]

Great!
the symtons is normal, it has to run for hours before all the trapped bubbles escape out the system then you will have no splashing or hear noises. Your pump is not damage, if it is damage then you won't see or hear the water moving, just recheck the water level and any sign of leak after first few hours of used. Top up the coolant if necessary.

[12mmChillFactor]

I wonder how pee would do as coolant... I mean.. Can't be many minerals in that..

I know it's a messed up idea, but.. Anyone ever heard of anyone who tried it ?
(And im sorry for making pee-related posts in your thread )

I just figured that might be a first if anyone chose to try it. I have an "old" BigWater 735 lying around.. I just might pee-mod it... :rolleyes:

[Deton]

With my Air condition turned on and my room temps dropped to about 22 Degrees im definately hoping to hit high 50s

will update again

Your cores temp will be around high 40ish degree. So what type of water you end up using it?

[bullydog]

Your cores temp will be around high 40ish degree. So what type of water you end up using it?

Like you say i went to a near by stall and bought pure distilled drinking water

[Deton]

Good, I know you will get more experience with watercooling when time go by and you want to improve the setup.

Like me, first started I only cool the CPU and then added GPU, NB....etc. Now, I'm thinking to add on a second loop or going with Peltier to chill the coolant. I'm at the planning stage, haven't decide to go with the second loop or with a chiller.

Just a warnning, if you're getting serious involve with watercooling, it's going to cost some hard earn cash though.

[bullydog]

Good, I know you will get more experience with watercooling when time go by and you want to improve the setup.

Like me, first started I only cool the CPU and then added GPU, NB....etc. Now, I'm thinking to add on a second loop or going with Peltier to chill the coolant. I'm at the planning stage, haven't decide to go with the second loop or with a chiller.

Just a warnning, if you're getting serious involve with watercooling, it's going to cost some hard earn cash though.

Yeah this thing is like a disease man...i'm like an addict always looking for something to upgrade or change...Man i hate it sometimes but i cant help it... ahhaha yeah watercooling's gonna cost lots of $$$ i know...i'm now at this stage and i'm sure im not gonna stay with this kiddy stuff forever ... hahah