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    Lightbulb Coolant Distribution Manifold ??

    I am thinking of making a coolant distribution manifodls for the coolant loop going to the
    5 waterblocks (CPU, NS, SB. & 2 for the Mosfetts) on the MB.

    I will make the manifolds out of 3/8" copper pipe & fittings

    it will essentially be a pipe with an IN at the end & have 5 "T" fittings branching off & have an end cap at the other end of the pipe.

    One of these manifolds will feed the 5 MB waterblock's IN fittings
    &
    One manifold will take the out flow from the 5 MB waterblock's OUT fittings

    Instead of having many pieces of tubing loops conecting all the INs & OUTs of each of the fittings.

    Is this feasable?

    or will I get flow variences from each T as the coolant moves along the manifold.

    I know it mattered when I built my hotrod (headers)
    but this loop is not open like exhaust systems
    - it is a closed water loop instead.

    TX in advance guys

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    I think of this setup as how a resistive circuit works electrically but where in place of resistors insert restriction to flow rate of the individual blocks. If all circuits were equal I would expect the flow to be equal across each however each block will restrict differently so your flow rates across each block will differ...the question that only experimentation can answer is will your pump manage to give sufficient flow across each block to cool effectively
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    5 "T"s = five restriction points, stay away from it. You must have a powerfull pump to do this.
    You have to use AC aquarium pump for this, regular PC DC pump won't be able to handle it.
    The flow rate (pressure will drop) right after the manifold. Grumppy is right about the restriction; if each block have different restriction then you will have different flow rate at each branch, this is going to hurt the its performance.

    What make you think this setup will be less cluster than the series setup?
    You still have 5 outlet tubes and 5 inlet tubes to come out/in from two manifolds.

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    Tx once again guys, I do appreciate your input.

    I probably will do the series loops - I have the proper tubing & anti-kink coils.

    I was just hoping to keep the heat of each block from being passed to the next.

    Last evening, I happened to run into one of my buddies who owns a HVAC business & he said the manifold could provide a balanced & equal flow if the OUTPUT manifold T's were crossed with the INPUT manifold T's.
    I.E. If the order of the
    OUTPUT manifold 12345 T's
    were paired with the INPUT manifold in reverse order
    INPUT 54321

    However, that still leaves the weak link in the chain as you both clearly pointed out...

    The pump


    I do have access to many Eihien & Fluval pumps from our turtle hospital www.turtleshelltortue.org

    but they are all 120v &
    I sure would worry the pressure would pop the fittings or blocks.

    So I guess it's loop d loop

    Deton
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    All the EK MB & CPU blocks arrived via UPS yeasterday PM another wasted $94 in broker fees & taxes :mad: so its $200 in broker charges alone for all the EK blocks (not counting taxes or duty)

    Gotta love Free Trade -eh :rolleyes:

    I'm also waiting to see how my X-Fi Platinum card behaves after getting the blocks on the 2 GFX cards - it is sandwiched between the 2 of them right now & gives a hissing sound
    - probably from the induction from the fan on the GFX card that is 1/4" from the X-Fi.
    Also, it is probably pretty hot - sort of akin to a Panini right now

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    QUESTION:

    1) Any suggestions as to the order I should hook up the MB & CPU blocks?


    2) Would using any Y's in the loops be wise?
    (To get some heat back to the tube going to the rad & not to the next block?)

    Or would that just put us right back to the flow restriction issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    Last evening, I happened to run into one of my buddies who owns a HVAC business & he said the manifold could provide a balanced & equal flow if the OUTPUT manifold T's were crossed with the INPUT manifold T's.
    I.E. If the order of the
    OUTPUT manifold 12345 T's
    were paired with the INPUT manifold in reverse order
    INPUT 54321
    it can be done but much hassle in the end.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    However, that still leaves the weak link in the chain as you both clearly pointed out...

    The pump


    I do have access to many Eihien & Fluval pumps from our turtle hospital www.turtleshelltortue.org

    but they are all 120v &
    I sure would worry the pressure would pop the fittings or blocks.

    So I guess it's loop d loop
    with the aquarium AC pump, you have to set it up with timer or relay switch so it power on the same time when the PC turned on. You don't want to do it manually or left it running all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    Deton
    RE: "YIKE!" - yeah I'll do a cost list when all parts are in.
    All the EK MB & CPU blocks arrived via UPS yeasterday PM another wasted $94 in broker fees & taxes :mad: so its $200 in broker charges alone for all the EK blocks (not counting taxes or duty)

    Gotta love Free Trade -eh :rolleyes:
    don't you hate that.
    I think every $100 you will close to $30 (broker, duty fees and taxes) and plus shipping.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    I'm also waiting to see how my X-Fi Platinum card behaves after getting the blocks on the 2 GFX cards - it is sandwiched between the 2 of them right now & gives a hissing sound
    - probably from the induction from the fan on the GFX card that is 1/4" from the X-Fi.
    Also, it is probably pretty hot - sort of akin to a Panini right now
    I assume the X-Fi is PCI card?
    It is better if you have PCI-E one, some mobo cause the interference by the gfx.
    Not only that but the X-Fi card also block the air flow for the gfx too. I have a X-Fi card too but can't use it since I put the gfx back on air. It completely block the gfx's fans.

    However, this (heat) is won't be much a problem when you put gfx on water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    QUESTION:

    1) Any suggestions as to the order I should hook up the MB & CPU blocks?


    2) Would using any Y's in the loops be wise?
    (To get some heat back to the tube going to the rad & not to the next block?)

    Or would that just put us right back to the flow restriction issue?
    1) I'm assuming you doing two seperate loops. One for CPU/MOBO and the second for Gfx.
    Give the CPU the first, second is MOSFET, third is NB/SB.
    Are you using one piece NB/SB block?
    Whatever you do try to have the shortest tube path as much as possible. What you don't want to do is a messy spaghetti path.

    If you use two seperate blocks for NB & SB then you can put the SB on the Gfx loop.
    SB first the the GPUs.

    Why are they in such order?
    becaues you want the CPU to have the coldest coolant temp first, MOSFET & NB/SB don't run hot any more like the 775 platform. Therefore, the coolant won't heat up that much after it exist the SB block to enter the GPU blocks.

    2)"Y" fittings is not that bad as "L" or "T "or 90° elbow. Of course you will have flow restriction for every block, fitting, rad or res added to the loop.
    So try to avoid to use a lot of adapter in between tubes and if you have to use them, then try not to use the sharp turn one. Y is better than T, 45° is better than 90° or L, and if you have to use 90° then get Bitspower, don't get the square cube adapter kind. Basicly, you want the flow to have a smooth flow continously moving in side the tubes, not to have it slamming in the wall at every bends.



    Keep this in mind when you planning the tube path;
    • keep it short as much as possible (under 7' overall is ideal for one loop)
    • use less adapter are the better
    • avoid reducer

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    WOW!

    Tx for all this help Deton

    I can definitely see that my WC installation will be based on your brains & tech

    & my hands (well - actually by my IT tech friend's hands :$)


    As for the XFi card (it is PCI) if it still gives issues when the WC blocks are on the Gfx cards
    - then I will probably have to use the onboard sound in 8.1 config.

    What is the P6T-DX-V2's onboard sound like compared to the XFi...
    in qualilty?
    & does it suck a lot from the CPU?

    From what I understand, the XFi card takes quite a load off the CPU for sound processing.

    RE: "with the aquarium AC pump, you have to set it up with timer or relay switch so it power on the same time when the PC turned on. You don't want to do it manually or left it running all the time."

    No problem for me to do that - BUT would not the pressure be too high ?
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    I agree with Deton, the NB & SB to not run that hot, my NB on my Bloodrage stays at 28c at stock 3.2GHz. at 4GHz it only goes to 36c. A lot of people said the NB was in the 70s with their X58 Classified motherboards, mine has been at 40c Doug, why do you want to use an aquarian pump ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    why do you want to use an aquarian pump ?
    He was thinking do water manifold. To do this he need a powerfull pump than the normal PC water cooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

    As for the XFi card (it is PCI) if it still gives issues when the WC blocks are on the Gfx cards
    - then I will probably have to use the onboard sound in 8.1 config.

    What is the P6T-DX-V2's onboard sound like compared to the XFi...
    in qualilty?
    & does it suck a lot from the CPU?

    From what I understand, the XFi card takes quite a load off the CPU for sound processing.
    Well, I'm using it at the moment and with now aday powerfull CPU such as i7 you wouldn't tell the different.

    The draw back for on board sound is not EAX support

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    RE: "with the aquarium AC pump, you have to set it up with timer or relay switch so it power on the same time when the PC turned on. You don't want to do it manually or left it running all the time."

    No problem for me to do that - BUT would not the pressure be too high ?
    Check its specs (flow & pressure), most tubing can handle up to 50psi max.

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    - Deton answered by question about the aquarium pump

    I think I will try this with tubing only & the TT pumps for now.

    & then see where everything is at.

    If it ever gets to the stage I need another type of pump
    - I have lots of spares lying around from in the turtle hospital & rehab center.
    - However, I would then need to get a spec from EK as to the PSI their blocks can handle.
    - Also flow rates would be needed to know, as if it too high, the loop won't be as efficient,
    if the same logic applies as in hi-perf vehicle engines.

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    - I hope then that when the WC blocks are on the GFX cards that the XFi is able to be used.

    Tx again fellows - very much appreciated

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    Which TT are you talking about?
    I heard a lot of TT user complain about it.

    I'm sure the blocks and compression fittings can handle high pressure system but the tubes and the plastic clamps are the one you should be consider about. You'll have no problem if you use sworm drive clamps.

    Now it comes down to the tubing, you should use thick wall one (1/8" at least).

    You shouldn't have the heat and clearance problem when thes gfxs on water. Then the compability is that you should worry about because I do know some gfx card do share the same IRQ as sound card. Hopefully the hissing noise cause by the fans.

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    Just my two cents here

    get rid of TT pumps as soon as possible. Been there used them and they are not worth a penny.....

    I was using TT P500 before and after i changed it to swiftech/laing one my CPU temps dopped 5 degrees. That should clearly describe how "good" TT pumps are

    ....but its just my two cents here..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
    Just my two cents here

    get rid of TT pumps as soon as possible. Been there used them and they are not worth a penny.....

    I was using TT P500 before and after i changed it to swiftech/laing one my CPU temps dopped 5 degrees. That should clearly describe how "good" TT pumps are

    ....but its just my two cents here..........
    your two cents worth $1.00 comment
    5c gain is a lot in PC watercooling world.

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    Reading around about pumps I would say things like the the 12V Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 pump (for which you can get various aftermarket tops) will do the job quite well...You can even put them in series for more "umpf". I seen one guy say that 3 in series is better than an Iwaki 30 which is a big expensive enthusiast grade piece of kit not well suited to normal cases.

    Essentially what I'm saying is that if you are unhappy with a single then upgrading is a simple step.
    Rig2: 2*e5-26xx (16c/32t @2.4), Asus z9 pe-d8 ws, 32gb ripjawsz under water, rig3 2*e5-26xx (16c/32t @2.4), Supermicro 7047A-T 16GB 1600 ecc reg, on air, Rig4: 2*e5-26xx (16c/32t @3.1), Supermicro x9 DAi 16GB 1600 ecc reg, on air, Rig5: 2*e5-2660 (16c/32t @2.7), Supermicro x9 DRW iF 32GB 1600 ecc reg, on air

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    I have
    2 TT ProWater 860i Kits (won't use the single rads)
    2 TT TMG2 dual rad units

    After ~ 5 years of use. I just finished pulling off a previous TT Bigwater (2nd gen) single rad kit
    off of my P4 3.4HT (the Bitch) & XTX1900. Using TT's CPU & GPU waterblocks.
    & it was in the same 2 cases (TT Shark & TT Armour alluminum)
    previously cooling that CPU with an Asus EAX 850Xt platinum.
    Those cards & that CPU were outrageous for hi-temps & banshee fan noises.
    Not to mention the Asus P5AD2 MB.

    It cooled it all wonderfully & I had reasonable temps
    - I never had a leak, algae, corrosion or any issues at all.

    I know the 1st gen TT WC stuff was pretty bad

    - but I bought TT again only because
    1) It performed for me excellently for many years &
    2) Availability in Canada.

    Cost was not a factor for me.

    If the 860i kits give me ANY issues at all (or hi temps) I will just throw them out &
    use my aquarium pumps or get 2 other WC kits suggested by you folks here.


    Deton
    You commented several posts ago about my hi MB temps
    - yeah the case was sort of in a corner, so the exhausting of the 2 4879X2's
    would have been drawn back into the case by the large side fan.

    EDIT: Tx - I am taking notes on EVERY comment/suggestion that is being offered.
    This build will end up right no matter what
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    The reason Doug wants to use a powerfull pump than D5 or MCP655 because he was thinking to do manifold distributor.

    A normal setup; a MCP655 can handle up 5 blocks/rad/res. Yes you can hook more than two pump in series but better wisely do seperate loops because it's pain in the butt try to fit 3 of these pumps in the case and the cost as well and you don't get the benifit of the performance gain if the flow rate over 3Gal/hr.

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