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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    Yes they did advertise non-conductive but I want to understand what they really mean about this "Conductivity less than 10S/cm (20C)"
    The conductivity is measured in microsiemens per cm. Conductivity = 1 / resistivity.
    50 microsiemens are 20,000 ohms.
    300 microsiemens are 3,333 ohms.
    so that means lesser conductivity value then greater restiance value and therefore less conductant, thats at least how i understand it

    so for 10 microsiemens equation is:
    convert 1/100000 S (siemens) to ohms

    that gives us 100 000 ohms which is fair amount of resistance

    so going that route current is the thing that fries all the components

    I (current)= V(oltage) / R ( resistance)

    I= 12V/100000 ohms
    I= 0.00012 Amps which is 120 microamperes which may damage more fragile components
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    Geralt that stuff u just mentioned and tried to explained made no sense to me at least, LOL sorry to say but you are leagues ahead of me

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    ok, i'll try again

    condictivity is related to resistance. The less something is conductive the more resistance it produces. The more resistnace circut has then there is less current in the circut and therefore lesser possibility to fry something up

    Imagine a pipe: pipe with wide diameter is the pipe that has low resistance and therefore more water (current) can flow. If pipe's diameter is narrow then it has higher resistnace and less water will flow.

    hope it makes bit clearer now

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    Geralt,
    LMAO....
    Do you speak English or I just heard the Irish accent....just kidding!

    So what I understand now; Feser One do have conductive less than 100 microampere at 20 degree celcius and EC6 has conductive less than 20 microampere at 24C, right?

    The other word is EC6 is safer than Feser One.

    Now I'm going to translate my understanding to my fired PSU case;
    If you have coolant temp at 25c, this normal good coolant temp which this mean the conductive for Feser One is 125 microampere at 25c. It's a dangerous enough to kill your hardware. The thing is no way you can keep the coolant temp under 20c.

    So EC6 is suppose to be safer according to its specs.

    Like I mentioned early, I'm going to treat each coolant is a conductive material. I don't care what the claims say or the conductive level say. They're dangerous to electronic components. So you have to take more the precaution when you deal with any coolant.

    Now I don't install PSU with the fan facing up (bottom case installation) and I have all the other components, mobo sprayed with water repellent silicon. It's work because the coolant did drop on the back of video card and nothing happen to the card.

    WC users out there you should take my advice, just to precaution spray your hardware with water repellant to protect your investment or you will be sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    Geralt,
    LMAO....
    Do you speak English or I just heard the Irish accent....just kidding!
    Well more than that I'm a Pole living in Ireland so it would be Polsih/irish accent then

    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    So what I understand now; Feser One do have conductive less than 100 microampere at 20 degree celcius and EC6 has conductive less than 20 microampere at 24C, right?

    The other word is EC6 is safer than Feser One.

    Now I'm going to translate my understanding to my fired PSU case;
    If you have coolant temp at 25c, this normal good coolant temp which this mean the conductive for Feser One is 125 microampere at 25c. It's a dangerous enough to kill your hardware. The thing is no way you can keep the coolant temp under 20c.

    So EC6 is suppose to be safer according to its specs.
    Thats how i understand it anyway. But IMO fluid is fluid, and those specs are acceptable only in sterile lab envioroment, but in real life bit of dust or something will change its resistance and conductivity and Bang your rig is fried....

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    Some day we need to buy bottles of every non conduct fluid out there, and run our own tests. This would be the best way to prove which fluid is the best, and which fluid to stay away from.

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    thats a VERY good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    so if they claim that its non conductive, what about the video that is being shown in sidewinder's catalogue here?

    It shows a fan running at full speed with coolant being poured all over it ?
    That is a cool advertising video for the product!

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    Well, I've be doing research on non-conductive coolant and found out they are only work if your componets are not exposed to foregin materials, free of impurities, no contamination and only work if the components powered by 12v or less. This is why the case fan still working in Feser One video.

    By the way, it can't expose to PSU or its components, this is why Feser One killed my PSU.
    Wanna see more non-conductive fluid test?
    Click on this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOWLv2YHE_c

    So, if your coolant bottle say non-conductive coolant take it with a grain of salt. The chance it won't fry your mobo or video card or other components are 50/50.

    Let me ask you this.
    How pure is your hardware and inside of your cooling system, do you know?
    No you don't.

    Like I mentioned in the previous post, use water repellant spray to coat your mobo and other components, just to incase if there are any leakage, keep the coolant away from the PSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
    ok, i'll try again

    condictivity is related to resistance. The less something is conductive the more resistance it produces. The more resistnace circut has then there is less current in the circut and therefore lesser possibility to fry something up

    Imagine a pipe: pipe with wide diameter is the pipe that has low resistance and therefore more water (current) can flow. If pipe's diameter is narrow then it has higher resistnace and less water will flow.

    hope it makes bit clearer now
    Thanks buddy! That was much better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    Well, I've be doing research on non-conductive coolant and found out they are only work if your componets are not exposed to foregin materials, free of impurities, no contamination and only work if the components powered by 12v or less. This is why the case fan still working in Feser One video.

    By the way, it can't expose to PSU or its components, this is why Feser One killed my PSU.
    Wanna see more non-conductive fluid test?
    Click on this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOWLv2YHE_c

    So, if your coolant bottle say non-conductive coolant take it with a grain of salt. The chance it won't fry your mobo or video card or other components are 50/50.

    Let me ask you this.
    How pure is your hardware and inside of your cooling system, do you know?
    No you don't.

    Like I mentioned in the previous post, use water repellant spray to coat your mobo and other components, just to incase if there are any leakage, keep the coolant away from the PSU.
    Excellent video man! what an eye opener!
    So like what he said in the video "non-conductive" = bullcrap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    Some day we need to buy bottles of every non conduct fluid out there, and run our own tests. This would be the best way to prove which fluid is the best, and which fluid to stay away from.
    Dont bother wasting time Dr D!
    Here's a good one from deton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOWLv2YHE_c
    Really Cool stuff! free fireworks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    Dont bother wasting time Dr D!
    Here's a good one from deton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOWLv2YHE_c
    Really Cool stuff! free fireworks!!!
    That what it happened to my 1k Enermax.....pop...pop...crack...crack....scared me sh#!#less, smoke everywhere, my office smelled smoke for at least two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    That what it happened to my 1k Enermax.....pop...pop...crack...crack....scared me sh#!#less, smoke everywhere, my office smelled smoke for at least two days.
    HAHA! LOL !
    Deton how the hell do you do all these stuff in office mate? i wonder what you colleagues are reacting when the area around your desk goes pop pop crack crack!!!

    If i were one of your female colleague, i would avoid you at all cost thinking you are nuts! haha

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    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    HAHA! LOL !
    Deton how the hell do you do all these stuff in office mate? i wonder what you colleagues are reacting when the area around your desk goes pop pop crack crack!!!

    If i were one of your female colleague, i would avoid you at all cost thinking you are nuts! haha
    I didn't know you have that sense of humour.
    No, I didn't mean the office at work. I meant at home, I called my computer room is office. This is where man at work.

    Bully, I hope you are a good looking guy because I don't want you to be my femal colleague that would scare the heck out of me....LOL

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