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    Thermochill EC6 is new coolant made by well know company from its rads. It seems that it may outperform feser 1 on many levels, especially as it goes for gunk biulldup. Here's a review where guy tried to boil it and freeze it just to make sure is up to standards:

    http://forum.watercoolinguk.co.uk/sh...374#post143374

    Not many colours available yet as it is new product but they will get ther. Also Primochill is planning to release a range of tubing as well

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    You are hardly notice the performance differences between the high quality coolants. They're very minimal in regard of thermal performance.

    Good quality coolants usually don't have gunk build up from the colour dye and non conductive.

    I believe Fese 1 advertized it is non conducting but I did get shorts with this coolant so go figure it out.

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    If you got shorts, then it's conductive.

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    Over the weekend i just replaced my coolant with some fresh new Feser F1 Red so i decided to pour it into a clear glass to observe "floaters" which i previously found in my reservoir and guess what i found before pouring it into my system bloody thing looked like "Sperm" LOL



    So i placed a sift and filter out all these gunk or whatever this is called and this is what it looks like
    Mine you that the 2 bottles of Feser F1 coolants are fresh new bottles i purchased

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    Now that sucks, you buy this stuff new, you do not need this crap jamming up your water blocks.

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    @ Deton: I didnt mean perfomance gains coz as you pointed out its not really possible to get better performance out of them anyway. But just look at Bully pics and maybe re-think the gunk built up idea.

    But in fairness i'm using my feser for over a year and never had such problem. After a year there was minor build up in my GTZ but it might've been due to the fact that coolant wasnt being replaced in perfect conditions.... apart from that it never let me down. But from what i've read new batched of F1 can be pretty messy, as we can see on Bully's pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    thats pretty sick I guess phase cooling needs to become more main stream.

    Well Thermaltake already tried to incorporate that idea, but AFAIK with poor effect. There isnt many people willing to disassemble thier fridge/ bar freezer to cool their PC's. Other downfall of phase change is the fact that at this stage you can only cool CPU...So i'm guessing WC will still be better option for overall performance

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    Yeah i agree with that. That fluid should be spot on and not like ekhm..... sperm (ROFL). Bully you should RMA it just to show them what are they sending to their clients although form economical point of view its not profitable..... at least post it around as much as you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    "Sperm" LOL



    ....Bully STOP playing with the Palm sisters!....LOL. I know you're bore but stop it....just joking buddy.

    The slammy things I guess the break down from the colour dye and other chemcial. Guys don't forget this the vinyl tubes do break down over time. So read the bottle label to see what type of glycol, some of them will destroy the plastic. I can't remember the name now. If you have Swiftech watercooling manual book they said they won't honor their warranty if you use certain type of coolant that content bad glycol. It's will cause the reservoir and platic parts to break down. I'll get the glycol name when I get home from work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    Now that sucks, you buy this stuff new, you do not need this crap jamming up your water blocks.
    No you don't want that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
    @ Deton: I didnt mean perfomance gains coz as you pointed out its not really possible to get better performance out of them anyway. But just look at Bully pics and maybe re-think the gunk built up idea.
    I meant most good coolant performs the same, take a look at the guy review. The thermal performance is less than 0.5c, you can't even notice with analog thermometer.

    IMO, when you buy coolant just look for product quality; no gunk build up or chemical that cause the plastic to break down. I think Swiftech is the best value/performance. A bottle of 8oz cost under $4 and you can mix 1L of coolant. So the total cost less than $8, distilled water included.
    The down fall is the conductive and no other colour beside UV green.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
    But in fairness i'm using my feser for over a year and never had such problem. After a year there was minor build up in my GTZ but it might've been due to the fact that coolant wasnt being replaced in perfect conditions.... apart from that it never let me down. But from what i've read new batched of F1 can be pretty messy, as we can see on Bully's pics
    Ok I have Blue and Red Feser 1 and Swiftech UV green. I haven't see any sperms swimming around in my loops yet.
    However, I do have a little particals build up in the block around pin matrix, just very tiny amount though. This is what you should expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    If you got shorts, then it's conductive.
    Ok.....I'm going to do a quick conduction test on the Feser 1 and Swiftech.
    Swiftech is definately conducted liquid because you have to mix the concentrate with distilled water...lol.

    Well, I guess just only test the Feser 1. They advertised it's non conductive but it killed my PSU thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    I haven't see any sperms swimming around in my loops yet.
    Hmmm, no sperm in the loop, thats good. You havent gone too far with WC addiction.Although this "yet " is bit worrying. On the other hand Bully i have bad news for you ...... [/joke]
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    Ok, I took a look at Feser One bottle lable. It doesn't say anything about non conductive so I paid a visit to their website and found these;




    • Conductivity less than 10S/cm (20C)
    • Unopened shelf life of 3 years maximum
    Do not mix this coolant with any other aftermarket additives, this may compromise the non conductive formula.
    I'm not quite sure understand what it's mean about conductivity less than 10S/cm (20C)
    Is it mean possibility a conductive?

    So I did a conductive test with two Feser One bottles, one is blue and the other is red colour.
    I used a portable flood sensor alarm, something similar like this one
    http://www.smarthome.com/7311WA/Hous...-Sensor/p.aspx

    The sensor powered by 9v battery, it has two probes (-/+) if these two probes contact a conductive material or water it will trigger the aubile alarm.

    So I put about 1oz from each bottle on the counter top and sat the sensors right onto the coolant, right away the alarm went off. To make sure I see/hear it right I did another test by get a cloth wipped off the coolant, the cloth is slightly damp and I sat the sensors on the damp cloth. Bamn....the alarm went off.

    Now I don't care what Feser One claims that their coolant is non conductive, that's full of s#$%.
    Because I have proof from my test and a over $300 dead PSU.

    From now on I will do the conductive test first with any coolant that I'm going to use. I don't care what they claimed any more.

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    I just go with distilled water, HydrX from Swiftech, and a bit of propylene glycol in my loops.

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    so if they claim that its non conductive, what about the video that is being shown in sidewinder's catalogue here?

    It shows a fan running at full speed with coolant being poured all over it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    ....Bully STOP playing with the Palm sisters!....LOL. I know you're bore but stop it....just joking buddy.

    The slammy things I guess the break down from the colour dye and other chemcial. Guys don't forget this the vinyl tubes do break down over time.
    Deton even if i were to play with palm sisters that's not where i will dump it! LOL it had better be somewhere else and not in my Loop hahah

    BTW the bottle was a fresh new bottle and i do think that its from the color dye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    so if they claim that its non conductive, what about the video that is being shown in sidewinder's catalogue here?

    It shows a fan running at full speed with coolant being poured all over it ?

    Yeah but they could simply prepare the fan for that test. Bit of silicone here and there and it was ready to go, probably if you would pour plain water it would work as well.

    If F1 wouldnt be condunctive Deton still would have his PSU then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    Live and learn hey it's a tough lesson but if you found that info on there site then obviously they are not claiming it is non-conductive. Maybe it is just a misunderstanding on your part to what they advertised, but if you are right and they did claim it was non-conductive i would try to charge the cost of the PSU back to them and see what happens.
    Yes they did advertise non-conductive but I want to understand what they really mean about this "Conductivity less than 10S/cm (20C)"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    I just go with distilled water, HydrX from Swiftech, and a bit of propylene glycol in my loops.
    Yep this is cheapest and good option, you don't really need to add anything else to HydrX.
    Actually I find Feser One coolant is little denser than Hydrx (proper mixing ratio a bottle Hydrx + 1L water).

    Unfortunately, Hydrx only come in one colour and if you want to play with different colour then you are out of luck. I refuse to spend $2 - $3 Lt/f on coloured tubes.

    Quote Originally Posted by bullydog View Post
    so if they claim that its non conductive, what about the video that is being shown in sidewinder's catalogue here?

    It shows a fan running at full speed with coolant being poured all over it ?
    I don't know:confused:
    Like I said the alarm went off when I dipped the two probes in the coolant. The alarm only go off when the negative and the positive probes make the contact to conductive materials. Anyway I have a dead PSU as proof.

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