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    Ok so now that i have my computer built and ready to OC its time for me to get down to the cooling part..I am thinking of getting a custom system with the following.
    CPU Block: Apogee XT
    Pump: Swiftech MCP-655-B/W Tach sensor
    Tubing: 3/8 tubing tygon
    Coolant: Feser One
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    Rad: no clue was thinking of a swiftech rad or Feser..

    It would be nice to know what fittings i would need Barbs/etc as i have no clue

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    as it goes for the rad it is dependant on how much space u have in your case or do you want to mount it externally. You may want to look at xspc rx rads or thermochill. Bit tbh im using swiftech rad and im happy with it. Now as it goes fpr fittings yoi said you will be using 3/8 tygom tubes but whats the OD (outer diameter) on it?

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    Pretty hardcore right there! Paging Dr. Deton......Dr.Deton.......we have a water cooling patient!!!


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    If you are between feser and swiftech radiator and have enough space for the feser (62mm) buy the feser that is my personal choice.For fittings i would go with compression fittings and not barbs but thats because i like them.As for the tubing i suggest Tygon 3603 1/2'' ID (3/4'' OD) for max flow.I am not an expert i myself waiting for my stuff to arrive for my first wc attempt and that's the way i've gone it's up to you what you will choose.You will need 8 fittings for this setup and whatever you choose barbs or compression fit. the size depends from the tubing you use.For example if you use 1/2'' iner diameter tubing you need 1/2'' barb and so on.With compression fittings you have to consider the outer diameter as well to fit your tubing.Try avoid angle fittings cause they might restrict your flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    Pretty hardcore right there! Paging Dr. Deton......Dr.Deton.......we have a water cooling patient!!!

    The Doctor is.....Treating other patients ...he will be with you soon I'm sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    Pretty hardcore right there! Paging Dr. Deton......Dr.Deton.......we have a water cooling patient!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    The Doctor is.....Treating other patients ...he will be with you soon I'm sure
    Actually I was having coffee break with nurse Betty

    Ok...before I prescribe you a precription Benji. I need to know what is your budget on this build?

    Like Geralt said; you need to determine where you want to install the rad, internal or external?
    I see you want to do custom setup. Are you planning to add on any thing into the loop or just the CPU?

    However, take these pills twice a day and come see me in two days.

    If only for a CPU and AMD X3 then you don't really need more than a double rad however, a triple is better for thermal dissipation and less flow restriction than dual rad one and it doesn't cost much than the dual.

    Fittings: bards are cheaper than compression fittings. Bards do need clamp, compression don't but expensive and nicer.

    Tubing: Most European users go with 3/8"ID vs with 1/2"ID for North America users.
    3/8" tubes
    Pros: easy to work with, less cluster in small case
    Cons: less coolant flow than 1/2" tubes

    1/2" tubes
    Pros: high flow rate
    Cons: bulky, hard to work with especially at tight bends.

    3/8" vs. 1/2"
    performance loss very minimal, you can't tell the different with the naked eyes. The temps loss is less than 0.5c. This is one reason most 1/2" fans go with 7/16"ID&5/8"OD tube instead of 1/2"ID&3/4"OD. No performance loss but gain back spacing and workable.

    So why North America users like to use bigger tubes?
    Because they want extreme performance, they want to squeeze out every ounce of its performance.

    FYI:
    Swiftech products are value performance and Feser is for extreme performance equal high cost.

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    hey, i just thought i'd add that Feser One coolant is a joke. get some distilled water and biocide and you'll be set for much less $$.

    if you use benzalkonium chloride, a 1.65% solution calls for you to put in 4 drops/L, the stuff is pretty cheap. much cheaper than Feser One.

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    Agreed. Distilled water, with a bit of propylene glycol and an anti-fugicide or whatever like HydrX is cheap and effective. I think Feser is trying to sell people on the non-conductive properties and that it won't kill anything if you spring a leak. Can't remember the last time any of my systems just spontaneously sprung a leak.......like NEVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    Agreed. Distilled water, with a bit of propylene glycol and an anti-fugicide or whatever like HydrX is cheap and effective. I think Feser is trying to sell people on the non-conductive properties and that it won't kill anything if you spring a leak. Can't remember the last time any of my systems just spontaneously sprung a leak.......like NEVER.
    feser is still conductive lol, great marketing strategy

    someone did a test where they poured distilled water on a system, and then feser. both killed their systems. a friend and i grabbed a multimeter and feser once, and it was definitely conductive, others have had the same results. stuff is a joke!

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    Yep, distilled water with a bit of additive is the way to go.

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    Ok, i doubt the rad will fit in my case with the cooling system that thermaltake already has in it so i am thinking of an external rad setup. There are some problems with pre-drilled hole placement but nothing to big just means i have to think about where i am putting the radiator.

    For budget i am looking at about 380-500 AUSD.

    Tubing i am looking at http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11617 with Compression fittings.

    Also would i be better using these http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11729 to replace the 1/4 fittings on the pumps etc?

    I am looking at a swiftech triple radiator at the moment. but also could get an EK or XSPC for aprox $10 more so depending on performance.

    At the moment i only plan on cooling my CPU i do however plan on getting a CoolIt OMNI if the price and performance is right.

    I also need a good Thermal compund recommendation .

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    If that's the case then it's best to get Swiftech Ultima kit, this kit included XT block. It's a good start kit, you can upgrade to compression fittings later. I'm sure it's cheaper than you go with mix match components.

    Swiftech rad out performs EK rad in my opion and XSPC rad out perform Swiftech rad by 10-15%.
    However, hand down on Swiftech on value performance thought.

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    I have given some thought to the Swiftech kits but the ones available come with the Apogee GTZ. Pricewise i'd be looking at an extra $50-80 and i'd get the XT block and a triple XSPC rad.
    In your opinion is it worth the extra performance?

    I'll need to have another look at importing parts from america as the prices in australia are a bit ridiculous. and the american Swiftech kits come wtih the XT blocks.

    *edit*
    Ok so i can get the Swiftech kit w/ XT for 320 AUSD about 100$ cheaper than custom setup i was looking at. i think i am going to go with the swiftech kit is there anything else i will need? or could do to increase performance|
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    You will be happy with that kit, it has everything to start out the watercooling adventure. Get good thermal paste such as Artic Cooling MX-3.

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    Hey deton i have been looking over where to put the rad in my case and i am running short of idea's, i think i may have to remove a drive bay just to fit the pump in.. could you shed any ideas on a good position for the rad? external or internal?

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    because of your case design you don't have much of a choice to use two back exhaust fans to put the rad their. Hopefully you have enough clearance their, use rad fans to draw fresh air in for the rad and use the top big exhaust fan to draw hot air out from the rad.

    The second choice is install the rad external by using provided rad box.

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