Boreas Software

[hifive]

I stand corrected your right hi five I just checked the manual I never use the Mtec, I use the manual controller I get better temps with it.

OK, no problem.
I was a little worried when I read that advice coming out of the mouth of an expert like you.

[hifive]

hifive - After speaking to Jon at Coolit he informed me that the MTEC controller needed to be powered on both A and B sides. Though not related to my original problem, I found that it did indeed improve the performance of the unit. It can be powered with the supplied adapter cable or another pci-e conn. off the psu.

So,
Q1: Connecting the cable to the ''TEC'' port on B side gives better performance only? This action is *not* the solution to your original problem of firmware update/installation?

Q2: How did you finally get the firmware installed/updated? It just decides to behave properly, for no apparent reason?

Q3: How about the 4-pin power cable of the pump? How do you get it connected to the 3-pin connector on the MTEC Control device?

[rickss69]

So,
Q1: Connecting the cable to the ''TEC'' port on B side gives better performance only? This action is *not* the solution to your original problem of firmware update/installation?

Q2: How did you finally get the firmware installed/updated? It just decides to behave properly, for no apparent reason?

Q3: How about the 4-pin power cable of the pump? How do you get it connected to the 3-pin connector on the MTEC Control device?

Q1: Yes, and yes.

Q2: That's about the size of it...after repeated tries it just suddenly took off.

Q3: It will fit...you are just bypassing one of the pins. Jon didnt even know they had started shipping them. Supposedly there will be an adapter coming soon.

[Doctor_Death]

Rick, you need to dump the old pump, you to hifive and buy the new mini pump from them or a pump / res combo in the last month I have had both stock older pumps fail, the second pump failed last night but I have had my systems for over a year

I do have the new mini pumps they shipped to me, but they forgot to send the barb for each pump. Jon shipped those out Monday with any luck I should have them by Sat and I can get both units running, I'm using the 3rd Boreas now.

The 1st pump started making noise so I knew it was on it's way out, but last night my temps started getting higher, it went from 18c to 30c to 50c in a matter on minutes so I shut right away and let it cool off. When I removed the heatsink this morning and started the system it was not pumping. I'll take a photo of the new mini pumps and post it for you guys, only problem is that you need a res to fill it.


hifive like i told you last night I get better temps with a manual controller that's why I do not use the Mtec, my idle temps are in the single digits, but when summer time comes I have to set it to medium due to to much condensation on the Tec banks as well as the heatsink. If I leave it so temps are in the middle 20c to high 20c there's no condensation. This is on a stock 965 I only overclock for benchmarking then return it to stock clocks. The temps in the screenshot were taken back in Sept.

[rickss69]

Doc - The second Boreas I have came with the new pump and it is the one I am having problems with. Unsure yet if the pump is at fault...when I cut the loop and drained coolant it looked as tho there might not have been filled completely. I'm thinking air pockets that would not allow the pump to work properly. I have a pump/reservoir coming and will test the stock pump myself before sending it back to Coolit. You think if a T-line was spliced in front of the new pump it would serve as a reservoir?

Can you think of any other type of controller I might use in lieu of the no longer available manual units? I would like to try that at some point. These are about my minimum temps now with the old pump...

[Doctor_Death]

Rick, it came with the mini pump ? if there's air in there it could have caused an air lock, try refilling it. This is why I believe a pump / res combo is best

[hifive]

Doc:
I have only been using Boreas for the past 6 months. I did research it before buying. So, I knew that the stock pump is prone to pre-mature failure. I could wait until it finally fails on its own so that I can receive a free replacement unit from CoolIT but I am the conservative type and so I am closely monitoring the pump and will replace it as soon as signs of failure show up. I suppose noise is one quite noticeable sign. For the past 6 months, the noise only increased slightly. But from your experience with 3 Boreas, the pump could fail without any sign. This is not good news. I might have to replace it sooner that I thought, defintely before an actual failure. (Under General Settings, I have checked the option ''Shutdown system on pump failure''. Hope this acts as one of the safety net.)


I have a few questions about pump replacement:
Q1: The stock pump runs at a constant rate (3.5L/min), does it not?
Q2: The stock pump receives its power from the MTEC Control device. It is neither controlled by the device hardware-wise nor controlled by the software. Correct?
Q3: When I use a 3rd party pump, it is not needed to be connected to the MTEC Control device's power connector. Correct?
Q4: For the pump, I am thinking of this:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sicumclad5wi.html


This comes with speed control which should allow me to find an optimal flowrate (close to 3.5L/min?).


For res, I am thinking of this:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcmire2re.html


What do you think?
Do you have a recommendation for a good pump/res combo?


TIA for your advice.

[rickss69]

HiFive - I have this one coming: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=23047

The one I wanted is out of stock everywhere: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25392

Hope I made a decent choice. I think if you do not use the MTEC to power it you might have to tinker with the bios settings to give an alarm in case of pump failure...maybe DD can clarify for us.

[Doctor_Death]

to be honest with you, I would go with a pump res combo, that's what I'm using right now with the XSPC X20 which pumps 450lph. At first CoolIt thought that a pump pumping more than 3.5l/m was not good for the Tecs but they later changed that statement.

Now to answer your question, read our review on the XSPC X20 750 5.25 bay drive pump /res combo, it even comes with two face plates a silver and black to match your case for around $60

XSPC also makes a X20 150 pump /res combo, like it's name it only pumps 150lph for $36.95 .

[Doctor_Death]

Rick, top is the inlet, do NOT use the white two pin plug that is for the Domino cooler

[rickss69]

Rick, top is the inlet, do NOT use the white two pin plug that is for the Domino cooler

10-4 buddy. Thanks again for the info.

[Skyguy]

Well my Boreas arrived today and I'm wondering if I should bother with the MTEC and just go straight hookup and max out this sucker?

[rickss69]

SkyGuy - I thought to try the same but it would not work for me that way. It would only do default which is 40% I think.

[hifive]

SkyGuy - I thought to try the same but it would not work for me that way. It would only do default which is 40% I think.

Thank you for this advice. I certainly will look into it. I actually prefer a pump/res combo over a pump + separated res setup.

A quick visit to a few online stores shows that they are out-of-stock. :-(

By any chance you remember what CoolIT said about the flowrate? If 3.5L/min is not the definitive flow rate for a stock Boreas, what is it then? I strongly suspect the optimal is not a point but a range of flowrates.
Can you please comment on this from your experience with Boreas?

Thank you.

[hifive]

SkyGuy - I thought to try the same but it would not work for me that way. It would only do default which is 40% I think.

Yes, the default is 40% TEC power.
I asked CoolIT once and they told me it was designed like this so that if the MTEC 'fails', there would still be 40% power.

[rickss69]

Thank you for this advice. I certainly will look into it. I actually prefer a pump/res combo over a pump + separated res setup.

A quick visit to a few online stores shows that they are out-of-stock. :-(

By any chance you remember what CoolIT said about the flowrate? If 3.5L/min is not the definitive flow rate for a stock Boreas, what is it then? I strongly suspect the optimal is not a point but a range of flowrates.
Can you please comment on this from your experience with Boreas?

Thank you.

I would at least try it with the stocker first. Skip back one page and read Doctor Death's comments and links to some of the pumps. I have one of the pump/reservoir combo coming for one of my Boreas...I will post findings on it in a couple of days.