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    Glad you've got it P3RH4PS ...I'm a proper noob and I,m still on AUTO!!

    My question is this:
    After just playing with super-pi while I clock up the hours on my new build (finally got it under 13sec) I set about going for a stable overclock. and eventually I got it using OCCT cpu. Then I went for a cpu and ram test (again occt) and had to up the voltages to get it stable....I guess that's no big surprise... Then I tried super-pi ... Again I had to up the voltages (vcore 1.44, nb 1.49) has just run for an hour. and I thought it was all going so well.

    Oh yes on a positive note I think... probe 2 shows NBtemp 32deg Idle and 36deg load

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    Ok, so I'm wondering if running something like 3Dmark06 is a good preliminary test for system stability? It takes a lot less time than running superpi for an hour. lol.

    Anyway so I've gone up 3000 points at 14913 on 3Dmark06 since overclocking wewt. I'm at 3.207GHz 1.36vCore.

    8:5 ratio = 733MHz:458MHz = RAM:FSB

    So the RAM is slightly overclocked from the original 667 for an effective 1466MHz @ 9-9-9-24 1.8v.

    I've seen my RAM @ similar speed with 8-8-8-20 2.1v but that's a pretty big increase in voltage. Would it be worth a try or does that sound dangerous?

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    MB: 251C idle (J/K it's totally borked... goes back to normal right after a restart, but within 5 minutes it starts bouncing around... sometimes around 175C sometimes 250C and sometime 11C)

    Now I'm going to run some tests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3RH4PS View Post
    Ok, so I'm wondering if running something like 3Dmark06 is a good preliminary test for system stability? It takes a lot less time than running superpi for an hour. lol.
    I wouldn't use 3dmark06 for stability stress test, this pro is for grfx benching. You should use Prime95 or Orthos or OCCT, run the test at least 8hrs straight. The best time to do is before you go to bed, let it runs over night and check it when you wake up.

    Quote Originally Posted by P3RH4PS View Post
    Anyway so I've gone up 3000 points at 14913 on 3Dmark06 since overclocking wewt. I'm at 3.207GHz 1.36vCore.

    8:5 ratio = 733MHz:458MHz = RAM:FSB
    Quote Originally Posted by P3RH4PS View Post
    So the RAM is slightly overclocked from the original 667 for an effective 1466MHz @ 9-9-9-24 1.8v.

    I've seen my RAM @ similar speed with 8-8-8-20 2.1v but that's a pretty big increase in voltage. Would it be worth a try or does that sound dangerous?
    not really, your just run a little bits hotter. You might have to put a fan blowing at it.
    Quote Originally Posted by P3RH4PS View Post

    Temps:
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    SB: 42C idle - 44C cpuload
    Core1: 34C idle - 50C cpuload
    Core2: 33C idle - 48C cpuload
    CPU: 21C idle - 36C cpuload
    MB: 251C idle (J/K it's totally borked... goes back to normal right after a restart, but within 5 minutes it starts bouncing around... sometimes around 175C sometimes 250C and sometime 11C)

    Now I'm going to run some tests...

    P.S. Thanks to Deton and Rosco for your help and settings!
    you're welcome, glad can help!

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    Forgot the question...... does this seem normal? that each is otherwise unstable

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Glad you've got it P3RH4PS ...I'm a proper noob and I,m still on AUTO!!

    My question is this:
    After just playing with super-pi while I clock up the hours on my new build (finally got it under 13sec) I set about going for a stable overclock. and eventually I got it using OCCT cpu. Then I went for a cpu and ram test (again occt) and had to up the voltages to get it stable....I guess that's no big surprise... Then I tried super-pi ... Again I had to up the voltages (vcore 1.44, nb 1.49) has just run for an hour. and I thought it was all going so well.

    Oh yes on a positive note I think... probe 2 shows NBtemp 32deg Idle and 36deg load
    SuperPI is more for number for number crunching, I wouldn't it for 100% CPU stability stress test.
    You can use OCCT to do 8hrs stress test to determine the stability. No errors mean stable. Not 30mins or 1hr but 8hrs is mininum.

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Forgot the question...... does this seem normal? that each is otherwise unstable
    to answer your question; NO

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    Ok, so I ran Orthos and it froze after about an hour and a half. I upped the vcore to 1.4 (shows 1.367) ran Orthos fine for 2 hours then gamed it up with a friend and my system seemed pretty damn stable. Then I tried running OCCT overnight. Anyway, I wake up in the morning and it only survived 4 minutes of OCCT! :confused:

    I really don't get it. Anyway, I left all frequencies the same and upped the DDR voltage to 1.9.

    Is there anything else I should look into? Is OCCT just way more hardcore than Orthos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P3RH4PS View Post
    Ok, so I ran Orthos and it froze after about an hour and a half. I upped the vcore to 1.4 (shows 1.367) ran Orthos fine for 2 hours then gamed it up with a friend and my system seemed pretty damn stable. Then I tried running OCCT overnight. Anyway, I wake up in the morning and it only survived 4 minutes of OCCT! :confused:

    I really don't get it. Anyway, I left all frequencies the same and upped the DDR voltage to 1.9.

    Is there anything else I should look into? Is OCCT just way more hardcore than Orthos?
    I believe OCCT put a lot of stress to the CPU than Orthos and Prime95.
    Use Orthos or Prime95 to run 8 HOURS not only 2hrs. Your CPU will generate a lot of heat after 8hrs than just only 2hrs.

    In the real world apps and games only demands 30% from the CPU. Therefore, that's why you were ok while playing games.

    If you passed 8hrs of Orthos or Prime95 then you don't need to run OCCT again, just use one of these programs to do stress test. These 3 pros don't work the same way.

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    So i notice quite a few people run ram at 1:1, i set my ram in bios to 1066 and i have my cpu at 333x9 for 3ghz, when i go to cpu-z i notice my FSB : DRAM is at 5:8 is this wrong? should i be running it at 1:1?

    Would appreciate advice please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven View Post
    So i notice quite a few people run ram at 1:1, i set my ram in bios to 1066 and i have my cpu at 333x9 for 3ghz, when i go to cpu-z i notice my FSB : DRAM is at 5:8 is this wrong? should i be running it at 1:1?

    Would appreciate advice please
    see post #176 page11 I just answered a similar question as your.

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    I built my new computer and my cpu has been overheating like mad. At first i couldnt install windows with out it turning off. So i downloaded and bios update that fixed cpu temp algorithms. It ran fine till i started gaming. As soon as i start up a game it will turn off in about 5 minutes. The games it turns off on that ive played are Cyris, Bioshock, Blacksite Area 51, and World in Conflict. All on max high graphics. The cpu temp when reset in bios is 84-86C idle at windows is 62C.

    Now i dont think i would be having this problem if my CPU wasnt overclocked. Default settings on my Maximus Extreme motherboard overclock my cpu on me. I have the Intel Quad 6600 cpu clock is supposed to be 2.4 but its running at 2.71, with increased bus speed. If i go into my BIOS its all auto clock settings. So if i use the AI clocker in the BIOS and overclocked it to the first setting 6700 i think, and it actualy declocked the CPU. If i go to the next setting the 6800 then it overclocks to 2.91.

    I cant seem to get my CPU to run at the right clock frequency. Please help me out on this.

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    EDIT: I just updated my bios again, didnt help. So i messed around with the overclocking and i managed to declock it to 2.34 but then all the other components where messed up, especially the ram. I downloaded the Intel CPU identifier tool. And at auto clock settings it says im running at 2.71 with 1800 fsb. I think the problem is that my FSB is clocking itself automaticly to the speed of my RAM, so it can fully utilize the ram but in the process its overclocking my CPU.

    How do i Fix this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowonecanknow View Post
    I built my new computer and my cpu has been overheating like mad. At first i couldnt install windows with out it turning off. So i downloaded and bios update that fixed cpu temp algorithms. It ran fine till i started gaming. As soon as i start up a game it will turn off in about 5 minutes. The games it turns off on that ive played are Cyris, Bioshock, Blacksite Area 51, and World in Conflict. All on max high graphics. The cpu temp when reset in bios is 84-86C idle at windows is 62C.
    Have you recheck the CPU cooler?
    make sure you installed it porperly, no overclocking and temp at 62C definitely something wrong here.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowonecanknow View Post
    Now i dont think i would be having this problem if my CPU wasnt overclocked. Default settings on my Maximus Extreme motherboard overclock my cpu on me. I have the Intel Quad 6600 cpu clock is supposed to be 2.4 but its running at 2.71, with increased bus speed. If i go into my BIOS its all auto clock settings. So if i use the AI clocker in the BIOS and overclocked it to the first setting 6700 i think, and it actualy declocked the CPU. If i go to the next setting the 6800 then it overclocks to 2.91.

    I cant seem to get my CPU to run at the right clock frequency. Please help me out on this.

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    EDIT: I just updated my bios again, didnt help. So i messed around with the overclocking and i managed to declock it to 2.34 but then all the other components where messed up, especially the ram. I downloaded the Intel CPU identifier tool. And at auto clock settings it says im running at 2.71 with 1800 fsb. I think the problem is that my FSB is clocking itself automaticly to the speed of my RAM, so it can fully utilize the ram but in the process its overclocking my CPU.

    How do i Fix this?
    It's not the Bios. If you don't want any overclocking then set the Ai Overclock Tuner and CPU Level UP manually to your hardware stock settings. If you leave it at Auto then MOBO will control the CPU speed accordingly to the work load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    see post #176 page11 I just answered a similar question as your.
    Thanks but what a wanted to know is whats the benefit of running at 1:1 over what i am already at now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven View Post
    Thanks but what a wanted to know is whats the benefit of running at 1:1 over what i am already at now?
    the dividers are there to help you get closer to yr Ram Specs... so if 1:1 helps you fully maximize yr RAM specs then all the better if you CPU allows you to go that far

    Example:

    i'm using:
    FSB x mulitplier 389x9=3501mhz
    FSB = 389x4 = 1556mhz
    Ram mulitpliers: 518mhz on 3:4 dividers

    I could use the next set of dividers DDR-1200 or 3:2 but that will bring my rams out of spec to 583mhz...

    i would recommend what you can do is to cycle thru yr FSB strap to northbridge settings Auto, 400, 333, 266, 200

    and see what is the closest you could get with yr Rams and if you dont intend to overclock try to keep yr rams keep closest to spec ... i dont have time to test my rams if im gonna over clock it so im running my rams on 518mhz = 15mhz below 533mhz spec... for the moment
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    Is there any reason why I can run OCCT for 3.5 hours one minute and only 5 minutes the next? Should I have any other programs open while running OCCT? I use temp and voltage monitoring so I can know where it was at when it froze up, but I also had a Firefox window open. Could these be causing problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven View Post
    Thanks but what a wanted to know is whats the benefit of running at 1:1 over what i am already at now?
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    1:1 = lower timing, lower voltage, less heat vs. 8:5 = higher timming, higher voltage, more heat.

    A ram with lower latency (tight timing) can performs on par with high lantency ram. Faster ram is good for games.

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    Is there any reason why I can run OCCT for 3.5 hours one minute and only 5 minutes the next? Should I have any other programs open while running OCCT? I use temp and voltage monitoring so I can know where it was at when it froze up, but I also had a Firefox window open. Could these be causing problems?
    you should avoid using any other programs while doing stress test. Because these (Prime95, OCCT or Orthos) really put 100% stress to the CPU, that is why you should perform the stability test over night, while you're sleeping.

    You can run temp monitor program in the background while doing stress test. Come back in a couple hours or 3hrs to check the temp, normally the temperature don't go any higher at this point. This is when it's max out the load temp.

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    I think I found the problem re: the instability ....just for interest I tried with an 8x multiplier and settings posted by deton back near page 1 (in a comparison between Pi speeds) ...nailed it almost straight away then ran prime95 for 8 hours no problem went on to fine tune it next day and after a few tries couldn't even post... reason... 1 stick dead ram.!!! I have borrowed laser thermometer for my next trials??? Does anyone use RAM cooling?

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