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    Default Maximus II Formula Club


    Maximus II Formula owners, you are invited to join us and share your experiences with this very sexy and
    subdued board. Everything is related to the board goes here, from cooling to overclocking or any wicked
    modifications are all welcome. Let show off your overclocking talent or pictures of your rig that you’re proud of.

    MIIF featuring the latest Intel P45 Chipset and support for high speed DDR2 memory and ATI Crossfire technology,
    the new Maximus II Formula brings high performance motherboards to a new level. It’s designed to be overclocked
    to the max.


    Latest official BIOS


    version 1307 (09/03/08) Improve Memory compatibility and with some PCI-E Raid Card
    version 1403 (11/03/08) fixed 45nm Quac Core CPU stability issue
    version 1501 (11/06/08) fixed wrong Vcore display in Ai Suite

    version 1802 (12/10/08) Fixed use 2 pieces of ATI4870X2 VGA Card can't display from Primary slot display monitor
    version 1901 (12/31/08) Improve Memory compatibility
    version 2104 (05/05/09) Improve Memory compatibility

    Update: (11/12/08) Asus pulled off the 1501 and 1403 bios. There're reported, some bugs in the those bios. DON'T USE IT IF YOU HAVE THESE VERSION OF BIOS.
    Asus Download Site
    http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

    Asus FTP Site
    ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/mb/so...mus_II_Formula


    MIIF’S BIOS has some new settings compares to the sibling Maximus Formula board and you can find some
    definition for these settings in the manual book but some don’t even have the explanation what the new features does.
    I’m going to list the most important common one.



    FSB STRAP TO NORTHBRIDGE
    This is a fairly new feature to Intel chipset boards, it did throw us old timers for a loop when they first came out.
    The northbridge is actually its own processor which is tied or “strapped” to the front-side bus and memory, it’s
    possible to change the speed of the strap. You can manually setting the speed of the northbridge strap, you can
    change the memory clock speeds by simply increasing the front-side Bus speed will automatically increase the
    speed of the memory or notching the strap down, you can get your RAM operating within pecification and while
    leaving the FSB at its oveclocked state.

    For more detail explanation about Bios definition
    click here http://forums.pureoverclock.com/showpost.php?p=10897&postcount=2




    CPU GTL REFERENCE (0/1/2/3)
    Maximus II Formula uses a different method for setting the GTL Ref voltages than any other boards.
    They do not simply have a multiplier, the multipliers are fixed and you have entered a "Y value” or “Item value”
    that modifies the resultant voltage. If you have 45nm CPU, you are aiming for the voltage given by the
    0.635x multiplier, so to work out what to put for the 0.667x GTL Ref (Item) values (it will be a negative
    number to make the resulting voltage the same as the 0.635x GTL Ref voltage). You’re probably wondering
    how to figure out the “Y or Item” value by now.


    Here is the equation you can use to find out your CPU GTL value.

    Equation for 45nm processor
    Vtt x 0.667 + Item = Vtt x 0.635

    What is Vtt?
    It’s front-side bus (FS termination voltage

    Example:
    45nm CPU
    FSB Termination: 1.35v
    Formula:
    Vtt x 0.667 + Item = Vtt x 0.635
    1.35v x 0.667 + Item = 1.35v x 0.635
    0.90045v + Item = 0.85725v
    Item = 0.85725 – 0.90045
    Item = - 0.0432v
    Item= -43mv


    Now round up to the nearest selectable value in the bios is -40mv and set the 0.667x Item value
    to -40mv (negative), usually the (1 &3) core.
    You have now made the 0.667x GTL voltages as close as possible to the 0.635x GTL voltages.

    Bios setting Example:
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (0) Auto
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (1) -40mv
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (2) Auto
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (3) -40mv

    Notice:
    If the negative value is unstable then you might have to try the positive value and you also have to
    tweaking it by trial and error until you find the stable value for your processor.




    Equation for 65nm processor
    Vtt x 0.635+ Item = Vtt x 0.667

    Example:
    65nm CPU
    FSB Termination: 1.35v

    Formula:
    Vtt x 0.635 + Item = Vtt x 0.667
    1.35v x 0.635 + Item = 1.35v x 0.667
    0.85725v + Item = 0.90045v
    Item = 0.90045 - 0.85725
    Item = 0.043v
    Item= 40mv

    Now round up to the nearest selectable value in the bios is 40mv and set the 0.635x Item value
    to 40mv (positive), usually the (0 &2) core.
    You have now made the 0.635x GTL voltage as close as possible to the 0.667x GTL voltage.


    Bios setting Example:
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (0) 40mv
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (1) Auto
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (2) 40mv
    CPU GTL REFERENCE (3) Auto

    For thoroughly detail explanation of GTL ref voltages
    click here http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87



    DRAM CLK (CLOCK) SKEW ON CHANNEL A1/A2/B1/B2
    In a nutshell, clock skew is the variation in speed of a module’s individual signal paths to the memory controller.
    Skew is the result of the signal distortion caused by the traces in the motherboard, the cleanliness of the power
    going to the board and the RAM that’s in use. Tweaking the skew settings can help increase stability when you’re
    pushing the chipset and RAM to its limits by overclocking. Tweaking clock skew is a game of trial and error but if
    you have got the time and energy, it could help you achieve the few extra megahertz you were hoping to get out
    of your system.



    Gentelment start you engines!

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    Default Overclocked Bios Setting Samples

    Please notice, these are just reference samples. It doesn’t mean will work right out of the bat for you
    if you copy it exactly; you need to do some tweaking. If you have the time to do the experiment then
    you can poke around with the other voltage settings or you just concentrate on Vcore, NBv, PLLv,
    CPU GTL REF and leave everything on Auto, the board will taking care it for you.

    ProcessorQX9770-4.20GhzQ9650-4.40GhzQ9650-4.10GhzQ9550-4.0GhzQ9450-4.0GhzQ6600-3.6GhzE8600-4.26GhzE8400-4.00Ghz
    Ai Overclock TunerManualManualManualManualManualManualManualManual
    OC From CPU Level UpAutoManualManualAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    Ratio CMOS Setting99988989
    FSB Frequency467490455500500400533445
    CPU Clock Skew Normal200NormalNormalAutoAutoAutoNormal
    NB Clock SkewNormal100NormalNormalAuto AutoAutoAuto
    FSB Strap to North Bridge333333400AutoAutoAuto333266
    DRAM Frequency DDR2-1122MHzDDR2-980MhzDDR2-910MhzDDR2-1000MhzAutoDDR2-1150MhzDDR2-1068MhzDDR2-1116Mhz
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1Advance 300psAutoAdvance 300psAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2 Advance 300psAutoAdvance 300psAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1Advance 300psAutoAdvance 300psAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2Advance 300psAutoAdvance 300psAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    DRAM Timing Control ManualAutoManualManualAutoManualManualManual
    CAS# Latency 5 DRAM Clocks555Auto455
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay5 DRAM Clocks555Auto455
    DRAM RAS# Precharge5 DRAM Clocks555Auto455
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge15 DRAM Clocks151515Auto131512
    RAS# to RAS# DelayAutoAuto53AutoAutoAuto3
    Row Refresh Recycle Time55 DRAM ClocksAuto55Auto55AutoAuto25
    Write Recovery TimeAutoAuto66AutoAutoAuto6
    Read to Precharge TimeAutoAuto33AutoAutoAuto3
    Read to Write Delay (S/D)AutoAuto88AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Write to Read Delay (S)AutoAuto 33AutoAutoAuto 
    Write to Read Delay (D)AutoAuto55AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Read to Read Delay (S)AutoAuto44AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Read to Read Delay (D)AutoAuto66AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Write to Write Delay (S)AutoAuto44AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Write to Write Delay (D)AutoAuto66AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Write to PRE DelayAutoAuto1414AutoAutoAutoAuto
    Read to PRE DelayAutoAuto55AutoAutoAutoAuto
    PRE to PRE Delay:AutoAuto11AutoAutoAutoAuto
    All PRE to ACT DelayAutoAuto65AutoAutoAutoAuto
    All PRE to REF DelayAutoAuto65AutoAutoAutoAuto
    DRAM Static Read ControlEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabledAutoAutoEnabledDisabled
    DRAM Read TrainingAutoAutoDisableAutoAutoAutoEnabledDisabled
    MEM. OC ChargerAutoAutoEnabledEnabledAutoAutoAutoEnabled
    Ai Clock TwisterModerateAutoModerateStrongerAutoAutoModerateModerate
    Ai Transaction BoosterManualAutoManualManualAutoAutoManualManual
    Common Performance Level8Auto118AutoAuto108
    Pull-in of CHA PH1DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAutoN/ADisabled
    Pull-in of CHA PH2DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAutoN/ADisabled
    Pull-in of CHA PH3DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAutoN/ADisabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH1DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAutoN/ADisabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH2DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAuto N/ADisabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH3DisabledDisabledDisabledDisabledAutoAutoN/ADisabled
    PCIE Frequency101100101100100100101100
    CPU Voltage1.418751.4000 1.33750 1.375 to start at1.3751.351.3251.34375
    CPU PLL Voltage1.501.50 1.579501.551.632501.5531.500001.5000
    FSB Termination Voltage1.351751.491.338501.338501.378251.12651.163001.16
    DRAM Voltage2.157752.102.01202.122.104752.10 2.202.10
    North Bridge Voltage 1.391501.451.298751.391501.510751.12651.321.27
    South Bridge 1.5 Voltage1.501.501.500001.51.553001.501.520001.5000
    South Bridge 1.1 Voltage:1.101.101.113251.113251.153001.121.13251.11325
    CPU GTL Reference (0):AutoAuto+40mv+20mv+20mv+10mvAuto+30mv
    CPU GTL Reference (1)-40mv-55mvAuto+20mv+20mv+40mv-35mv-10mv
    CPU GTL Reference (2)AutoAuto+40mv+20mvAuto+10mvAuto+30mv
    CPU GTL Reference (3)-40mv-55mvAuto+20mvAuto+40mv-35mv-10mv
    NB GTL ReferenceAuto+60mvAutoAutoAutoAuto Auto
    DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage AutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage AutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto
    North Bridge DDR ReferenceAutoAutoAutoAutoAuto AutoAutoAuto
    Ratio CMOS Setting99988988
    C1E Support:DisabledDisabledEnabledN/AN/ADisabledN/AN/A
    Max CPUID Value LimitDisabledDisabledEnabledN/AN/ADisabledN/AN/A
    Intel Virtualization TechDisabledDisabledEnabledN/AN/ADisabled N/AN/A
    CPU TM FunctionDisabledDisabledEnabledN/AN/ADisabledN/AN/A
    Execute Disable BitDisabledDisabledEnabledN/AN/ADisabledN/AN/A
    Load-Line CalibrationEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabledEnabled
    CPU Spread Spectrum DisabledDisabledEnabledDisabledDisabledDisabled DisabledDisabled
    PCIE Spread SpectrumDisabledDisabledEnabledDisabledDisabledDisabled DisabledDisabled

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    Last edited by Deton; 29-12-2008 at 10:23. Reason: E8600 added, thanks to Grumpydady

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    Default Cooling Issue

    NORTHBRIDGE COOLING ISSUE
    If you find your northbridge temperature soar over 55°C at idle then your heatpipe is not properly mounted. You need to remove it and reapply after market thermal paste such as AC5 or MX-2 for NB/SB
    but you can reuse the stock thermal pad for the Mosfet sinks.
    So what is cause of poor contact?
    Some reason the spring screws couldn’t apply enough pressure to pull the heatpipe to make a full contact. You can solve this problem by add on extra washers to each screw to enhance more pressure to each screw.



    You can use any of the above washers to add on to each screw to enhance the support so you can apply more pressure to the screws to help the heatpipe have better contact.
    To remove heatpipe all you have to do unscrew the screws and the heatpipe just come off.






    Asus used quite excess of thermal paste on the southbridge and northbridge chipsets. However, after thermal paste was cleaned, there were some traces of adhesive left at the surface of the copper base.
    Therefore, it this board was used period of removing the northbridge heatsink then it might be harder to take it off.



    A little elbow grease and rubbing alcohol then everything was clean as whistle.

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    Thumbs up sharp Idea !!

    Nice, Deton you've been busy again huh?

    Love the Bios table Idea...I guess other owners can add their own results in the same format....what a boon to new guys!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Nice, Deton you've been busy again huh?

    Love the Bios table Idea...I guess other owners can add their own results in the same format....what a boon to new guys!!
    Thanks, hopefully Max 2 owners will show up at PURE
    I think the table will make it easier to cross reference check and comparison. I can add on the setting from different processors if I can find them or new owners submitting them.

    Yup busy...busy, doing this in between the reviewing...

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    WOW! First time visiting pureoverclock. very nice post, and very informative. I have had my max 2 for a few months (upgraded from p5ke-wifi) and I was overwhelmed by all the new bios options that I had never seen before. this is rad! I am gonna mess with my cpu gtl ref when I get home. Question to any one. Is there software out there ya'll can recommend to measure NB temp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalan30 View Post
    WOW! First time visiting pureoverclock. very nice post, and very informative. I have had my max 2 for a few months (upgraded from p5ke-wifi) and I was overwhelmed by all the new bios options that I had never seen before. this is rad! I am gonna mess with my cpu gtl ref when I get home. Question to any one. Is there software out there ya'll can recommend to measure NB temp?
    Welcome to Pure,
    you can use Everest, this program will show every voltage and temp or you can use Asus Probe II.
    I'm personally like Everest more than ProbeII.

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    Oh sweet I even have Everest but haven't used it much, mainly just use Coretemp,thanks Deton!

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    Great job Deton!

    Once again you have proven your writers skills (which you obviously dont have )! Very inforamtive. I had a look on MFII settings when my brother bought it and it was some spread of new things. But now its gonna be esy like walking in the park!

    once again Great Job!

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    Great Job Dude!!! love it ... makes me wanna get the MIIF
    do u think its sorta go a downgrade from Maximus Formula to MIIF ?

    Since its P45 and dual PCI-E 8x instead of Dual PCI-e 16x on the Maximus Formula ? no fusion block?

    Hey Deton...those 45nm really so clock well with such low vcore? i'm seeing average of 1.3xxx ++ vcore to reach average 4ghz range?

    What Sorta Temps are u getting with such low vcore?
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    Thanks guys,
    @ Bully, I my thought was the same as your before I purchased this board, P45 or X48?
    but I said, X48 is nothing different from X38 beside DDR3 and few different with bios settings, and I'm not ready for DDR3 yet and this board is much cheaper than the Rampage Xtreme. I will ready for it when the next build, the X58 + i7 though.

    So I decided P45 instead because of its capability with high FSB, look at OC table data. It can goes over 500ish and keep going. So it's good to pair it with 45nm proc.

    About 8x and 16x lane PCI, well...I don't have crossfire setup so don't really know and plus the grfx cards now aday are so powerfull. You won't notice much the different if you are not anual about its clock.

    I wish I have the time to test the q9650 and 4870 Sonic with Max1 to see the different. As you know I have ton of reviews with the WC right?
    That's why I stop at 4.1ghz, I know it can go higher than 4.5ghz, very time consuming...

    Anyway, about the temp it's about 58c at load with WC setup like this (GTZ, MCR360, MCP-655, MCW-NBMAX, Micro Res and 3/8" tubing)

    Max2 don't come with Fusion block, Asus save it for the Rampage Xtreme. I just finished the NB-Max block from Swiftech, hopefully it will published soon. The reason I don't post its picture because I don't want to spoil the review. I can tell you this, it's worth the upgrade to NB-MAX if you're already water cooled the CPU.

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    It seems possible...just wish I could get the settings

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    I don't know how the people have 5Ghz @ 1.5v and core temps are under 30c?
    It looks like he took the screen shots at 5mins of Prime95. My Q9650, 4.1ghz @1.34v at 60c core temps at load. There're no way he can runs that for 24/7.

    I'm personally only interesting for 24/7 stable bios settings. The bragging highest OC is no good really, it's just for entertaiment only. I can get my quad to 4.5ghz already but of course it won't pass Prime95.

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    it's a dual. one of the newest ones at that ...half the heat .....that should help the temps
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    If your board is hang at Marvel Adapter initializing.......here is a fix;
    1. Disable the Speeding HDD setting in the BIOS if you don't use it
    2. Older IDE hardware (CD or DVD-ROM) prone to cause this problem, so disconnet it and reboot get into bios and disable this feature.
    Last, if your IDE hardware unusable after you disable the SPEEDING HDD then upgrade it to SATA.

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    First of all id like to say Hello Everybody as i am new here

    Right. As i got q9550 c1 rev id like to overclock it to about 3.5ghz cuz dnt rly need nemore + dnt want the temperatures to be too high.

    btw never OCed an Intel cpu
    so Ive updated bios 0901 i think it was to 1307 or summin like that and tried to overclock looking at different ppl configs and so far my bios settings look like this:

    ratio 8.5
    fsb400
    dd2-800mhz

    cpu volt 1.175
    FSB Termination 1.175
    NB 1.175
    SB 1.5
    SB 1.1
    Load-Line Calibration Enabled


    everything else is default and i ran 2 orthos'es on all 4 cores and after 1h didnt get any errors temps were stuck at bout c1 61 c2 56 c3 53 c4 49 however after that played cod4 for a bit didnt get ne BSOD nd then played Crisis nd when i was jst about to exit the game i got BSOD so i went to bios nd increased cpu fsb nd NB voltages to 1.2 and now running prime95 (1h no errors nd still goin) and after bout 30mins i got temps around c1 60-67 c2 58-63 c3 57-60 c4 52-55 used real temp and core temp at 95deg tj max everest at default is showing about 10deg higher :S

    im thinking to get another cooler for my cooler cuz im not to happy about those temps even if i wont probs ever see them again while playing games rendering 3d stuff etc but still so 5-7deg drop may be nice

    btw jst reminded myself i got that pc since about 2 weeks so im not quite sure if the thermal paste is fully working yet

    anyway any advice on that ? how to get bout 3.5ghz with low voltages nd good stability ? and wot do i do wrong how to improve it etc

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