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    Hello,

    I'm relatively new to this site and new to OC'ing in general, so hello. I did a lot of reading of "how to" articles before I attempted my first OC, but I am looking for some help. I have an MSI 865PE Neo-2 mobo with a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, 2 Gb of DDR400 installed, fan cooled. I attempted my first OC last night, and I gotta say OC'ing is like crack. I'm totally hooked on how much I can squeeze out of my CPU now. Here are my results:

    CPU - 3164 Mhz
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    DRAM - 226Mhz with timing 3-3-3-8

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    I seem to be running pretty stable, but I'm confident I can squeeze more; I just don't know how. I was able to POST at CPU Bus Clock 235 Mhz and ran great, but then when I restarted the graphics wouldn't show sometimes, system restarted at logo sometimes, etc. I backed off and increased voltage, etc and ended up at my current settings. I am hoping someone can instruct me on next steps, i.e. memory adjustments, do I need more voltage, etc. Also, I have a Patriot 2 GB Dual kit with 3-3-3-8 timings. Is it possible to change the timings on memory even though it is rated at those speeds? Thanks to anyone who helps!

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    Welcome to PUREOC!
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    I seem to be running pretty stable,
    Did you run Prime95 or Orthos for at least 8hrs straight?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikequijada View Post
    but I'm confident I can squeeze more; I just don't know how. I was able to POST at CPU Bus Clock 235 Mhz and ran great, but then when I restarted the graphics wouldn't show sometimes, system restarted at logo sometimes, etc. I backed off and increased voltage, etc and ended up at my current settings. I am hoping someone can instruct me on next steps, i.e. memory adjustments, do I need more voltage, etc. Also, I have a Patriot 2 GB Dual kit with 3-3-3-8 timings. Is it possible to change the timings on memory even though it is rated at those speeds? Thanks to anyone who helps!
    Before you go any further; what is your temp at current overclocked settings?
    I do know Pentium 4 runs pretty hot, so check your temp. You're at 1.51vCore and I'm sure you are above 65c or close to 70c on load.

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    No, I have not run Prime95 yet. I know I should so I will do that today. You are right about my temp. I was hitting 67c last night after about 7 hours working. I know I'll have to upgrade my cooling if I want to proceed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikequijada View Post
    No, I have not run Prime95 yet. I know I should so I will do that today. You are right about my temp. I was hitting 67c last night after about 7 hours working. I know I'll have to upgrade my cooling if I want to proceed.
    Mike, if your CPU is already reached 67c on normal load working condition then I wouldn't advice you to try any higher until you upgrade the cooler.

    And you should run Prime95 for at least 8hrs straight to make sure your overclocking stable. Your system might not crashes yet but one day out of the blue it will crashes as unexpected. Prime95 will stress the CPU to 100% and the temp will reach to the highest point within 30 minutes. If your overclock is not stable then it will crashes within 5 minutes.

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    Deton, thanks for helping Mike, I sent him a PM yesterday and told him he should ask you for some help. Mike, you do need to upgrade your cooler, or your system if possible, we will be starting a Trade / Sell section very soon, so you should be able to find some good deals here.

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    Thanks Stan for the info on the upgrade.

    So I just completed 2 1/2 hours of Prime 95. I was a little confused at first because the only way I was monitoring my CPU temp was through BIOS. I finally googled some freeware and found the free trial for Everest. I did the install of Everest all while still going on Prime 95 only to find that my CPU temp was at 77c! I'm such an idiot for letting it go for 2 hours like that. Anyhow, I immediately shut down Prime 95 and am back around 56c now. I guess I'll have to look into some cooling products. Good news though was that I did manage to complete 2 1/2 hours of Prime 95 without any errors.

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    Mike. download " real temp " and also " core temp " then post your temps again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikequijada View Post
    Thanks Stan for the info on the upgrade.

    So I just completed 2 1/2 hours of Prime 95. I was a little confused at first because the only way I was monitoring my CPU temp was through BIOS. I finally googled some freeware and found the free trial for Everest. I did the install of Everest all while still going on Prime 95 only to find that my CPU temp was at 77c! I'm such an idiot for letting it go for 2 hours like that. Anyhow, I immediately shut down Prime 95 and am back around 56c now. I guess I'll have to look into some cooling products. Good news though was that I did manage to complete 2 1/2 hours of Prime 95 without any errors.
    Everest is a good software but you won't be able to use all its features with the trial version. Like Dr. D said, you can use Real Temp or CoreTemp to check the core temperature.
    Luckly you found out soon enough because the CPU would heat up much hotter later on.

    You can get some good high end HFS for under $100, perhaps you should look at CoolIt Domino liquid cooler for $79. This is a HFS killer.

    Take a troll over our reviews forum and take a look.

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    Thanks guys for the help. So the problem I'm running in to is that both CoreTemp and RealTemp are not available to me. CoreTemp states it is only for Intel Core processors, and RealTemp is stating my CPU is not supported. That was the same problem/message I was getting with other Freeware. Everest is the only one I've found that works with the P4.

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    I used to own a socket 478 system as well a few years ago. I was using an ASUS motherboard, so I had the advantage of being able to run ASUS probe to monitor my temperatures.

    As for air coolers, I would try to find a Scythe "Ninja Copper" if you can. Looks to be one of the best all copper air coolers for Prescotts. After that I'd either go with a Noctua NH-U9 or a Tuniq Tower. All of these will definitely cool you down.

    Now, if you have the money, definitely talk to Deton a bit more as to how you should set up a custom liquid cooling solution for it. It will perform much better overall, but costs a bit more.

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    Hi Mike

    Try running Intels Thermal Analysis Tool [ TAT ] that might work with your setup, let me know if it does. Did your MSI board come with a monitoring program ? Try exploring your install CD under utilities.

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    Thanks for the help guys. As for the Intel TAT, it will not work with my processor. I will need to find an alternative. I will also check in to the cooling suggestions. Thank you for the help.

    I did have a couple of other questions that you guys may be able to help me answer. I have a P4 2.4Ghz as well as the P4 2.8Ghz I'm currently running. I've been reading a lot about if you are running only air that the 2.4Ghz can be pushed to the same performance as the 2.8 within the same temperature. This would significantly raise my FSB if I was able to OC at the same 3.1 GHz I'm at now. My question is this, do you guys think I should drop down to the 2.4Ghz to squeeze out more FSB? Also, I'm currently running PC3200, but my mobo's manual says it will support "DDR226/333/400 MHz and up". In theory, does this mean that I can purchase a higher speed memory so I can OC at a 1:1 memory ratio instead of going with a divider? Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm still wrapping my head around memory dividers, etc.

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    Download CoreTemp, it's a great utility.
    http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

    Yes, higher speed memory will let you go 1:1 instead of a divider. To be honest though, you probably won't notice that much performance difference between higher FSB or not. The clock speed is really the key, regardless of how you get there. There really is a negligible performance difference, you likely won't ever notice it.

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