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    Question New Member...Overclocking Questions

    Hey Guys!?

    I've been reading a lot of threads/posting throughout this site; much more of overclocking than anything else. I understand the Vets have great input on overcloking, and so i joined to gain some knowledge of that to perhaps make overclocking second nature

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    6GB OCZ Gold 10-13-13-29 @ 1900MHz 1.64v (Stock 7-7-7-19)
    x2 500GB WD HDD

    My question for now is about the memory controller. Can i still push the RAM to 2000MHZ without damaging it? I've done some research on this and so far it seems this board can hit 2100+ even 2200 without damage. But i would like to get some "expert" opinions or find alternate methods of overclocking the RAM as well. Or should leave it running @ 1600MHz?

    Also, I've already hit 4GHz with 1.275v on the CPU (not stable), but stock cooling and gaming heat things up fast, and so overcloking the RAM is my next option to see how stable it is. But i'm a little worried i may be taxing my parts.

    Please let me know what i can do

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    Hey, welcome to Pure OC.

    Overclocking RAM won't show you too much performance gain, but as long as its voltage stays at or below 1.65V, your IMC should be alright. The mileage you get out of the RAM will vary, so you may not get 2200MHz, but you should at least be able to push out at least a few more MHz.

    Out of curiosity, what are you getting for load temps with the stock heatsink, and what do you use for stress testin?

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    Load temps arebetween booting and gaming 64-68C. Idle is 48C even with online surfing or lighter apps. I use OCCT for stress testing and the tests fail because of the heat. It only passes @3.6 GHz but i'm 90% sure its stable @3.8GHz still. The heat is my biggest challenge so far


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    By the way, im logged on this site with UT3 and several apps running in the background...the highest temps are 68C and lowest 63C. There's a 22% usage on the CPU and 41% for the RAM. MCH is 55C...may be cause by video card which is @ 74C. Ouch

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    That is absurdly hot. Is there any particular reason you haven't upgraded to a different heatsink? A friend of mine had a chip that refused to do 4.4GHz stable, then, when we fixed his cooling situation, it was 100% stable. Heat is a bugger!

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    It's not temp yet, 70ish is normal for overclocked i7 at your settings.
    The culprit is your Vcore, it's to low for 4Ghz. It needs about 1.30ish when you hit 4Ghz or above.
    Try to pump it to 1.30v as your starting point and work your way down and if it's still not stable then work your way above 1.30v. Keep an eye on the temps, you should be around late 70s or early 80ish. This is normal for air cooler (high end cooler).

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    Thats another issue and a cooling solution is what im willing to go for to maximize the system. I've been researching a lot about i7s and havent spent enough time on cooling....but it seems liquid cooling is the way to go. Any options you have that would be helpful... I've just been using air for now to see how much i can get out of that first...not so much for now but i think 3.8GHz @1.2v (usually runs 1.18v) and 950MHz RAM Freq is good for now. The MCH and ICH were concerning me the most, but they seem to be holding fine. The motherboard green lights (meaning the voltages are normal on CPU and RAM and Mobo according to the manuals) so that pleasing to see.

    Also, i've ran benches on games like GTA 4, Batman, Crysis, and UT3...and i found it interesting to see very little lag/good FPS (i.e. Crysis runs 1920x1080 @52fps average w/ 2xAA on Enthusiast). For RAM thats CAS7 8500 running 1900MHz is exciting but i will hit 4.2GHz with good cooling and push the RAM a bit more further...im probably sending it to its grave already LOL.

    My questions for the vets/anyone with extensive knowledge are: how much more i can get outta this system on air? Am i damaging my ICH or MCH in the long run? Accordning to my research im not...but its still in the back of my mind.

    Note: I have everything on this board set to Auto (except turbo) and thats one of the things thats proving how stable it is at this time. But for a D0 stepping; from my readings this chip can go above and beyond where i am. Any tips would be helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    It's not temp yet, 70ish is normal for overclocked i7 at your settings.
    The culprit is your Vcore, it's to low for 4Ghz. It needs about 1.30ish when you hit 4Ghz or above.
    Try to pump it to 1.30v as your starting point and work your way down and if it's still not stable then work your way above 1.30v. Keep an eye on the temps, you should be around late 70s or early 80ish. This is normal for air cooler (high end cooler).

    I first started @ 1.26v knowing full well it wouldn't boot @ 4GHz. Actually, it did boot! I played for about 10mins then the systems restarted. Then i tried it with 1.27v and the system blue screened within 5 mins. So far i haven't gone beyond that point, but with my stock cooler theres no way im gona risk it until i at least have a cooling solution sitting beside me or inside the case. I'm about 90% sure it can hold 1.3v without running games and still hit 68C on apps w/sock cooling right now. My goal is to hit 1.35 - 1.38v and no more than that for 4.2GHz, and im certain this board will allow it. The RAM will also be taxed @ 2000MHz, but i 'm sure the RAM can handle it @ 1.64v.

    More thoughts on this?

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    Yep, I agree. Your vCore is too low for your overclock, you either need to bump up your voltage or lower your overclock.

    I'm sure your board will handle that OC no problem, but you REALLY need a better cooler, seriously. You cannot OC like that with such crappy cooling you have (no offiense).

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    I didn't notice that you are still using stock cooler. Like I said people do run 4Ghz or even 4.2Ghz with high end air cooler such as the TRUE. D0 chip run much cooler than C0 chip (my) therefore you can get away with good air cooler. If you switch over watercooling then you may can push your chip up to 4.5ghz, this is depend on your hardware thought.

    You were asking about if you can push your RAM up to 2000Mhz, that's 400mhz overclocked.

    You might have pump its voltage up and losing the CAS to get it going that fast.

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    You might or might not be able to get your RAM up to 2000MHz, we can't tell. You'll need to test it yourself. At the very least you'll need to boost the vDIMM to at least 1.65V, timings to 9-9-9, and bump up the memory controller voltage as well.

    I've pushed some 1600MHz modules past 2000, but they are very rare. It is possible though, but it's a crapshoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    I didn't notice that you are still using stock cooler. Like I said people do run 4Ghz or even 4.2Ghz with high end air cooler such as the TRUE. D0 chip run much cooler than C0 chip (my) therefore you can get away with good air cooler. If you switch over watercooling then you may can push your chip up to 4.5ghz, this is depend on your hardware thought.

    You were asking about if you can push your RAM up to 2000Mhz, that's 400mhz overclocked.

    You might have pump its voltage up and losing the CAS to get it going that fast.
    Its already running 950MHz Freq @ 1900MHz, and i know it can run 2000 as well. I read a lot about this board and the RAM will be safe even tho the RAM is only PC3-8500.

    Ok so im going liquid cool, but whats a good or decent set up for that? I believe they are around $100 - $300 areas right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    Yep, I agree. Your vCore is too low for your overclock, you either need to bump up your voltage or lower your overclock.

    I'm sure your board will handle that OC no problem, but you REALLY need a better cooler, seriously. You cannot OC like that with such crappy cooling you have (no offiense).
    None taken, i appreciate any help i can get

    The cooler is extremely week, at this rate i dont see it lasting over a year to be honest...im taxing it as it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSpoon View Post
    . Am i damaging my ICH or MCH in the long run? Accordning to my research im not...but its still in the back of my mind.

    Note: I have everything on this board set to Auto (except turbo) and thats one of the things thats proving how stable it is at this time. But for a D0 stepping; from my readings this chip can go above and beyond where i am. Any tips would be helpful

    Thnx
    BTW, don't worry about ICH/MCH too much at 4Ghz. It will be fine at Auto, it's may need manually tweaking if you want to go pass 4.2Ghz or beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    You might or might not be able to get your RAM up to 2000MHz, we can't tell. You'll need to test it yourself. At the very least you'll need to boost the vDIMM to at least 1.65V, timings to 9-9-9, and bump up the memory controller voltage as well.

    I've pushed some 1600MHz modules past 2000, but they are very rare. It is possible though, but it's a crapshoot.
    I actually just tried it and it boots perfect. Like Denton stated, it needs some juice @ 4GHz w1.32v, so i loaded for 20 mins with 2000MHz and no crash. I didnt run any programs tho...so its not fully tested obviously.

    So far im confident it will run just fine...but im curious how long this set up will last at this rate as far as the RAM, ICH and MCH.

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