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    Ok guys/gals, I know what I know from experiance, no schooling.
    I have yet to attempt a raid of any kind, nor do I know anything about them. What exactly is a raid? What is the differance between types of raids? and can you only set one up during a fresh install? I know it's a noob question but I am a noob so
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    wiki knows it all ^^
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
    and check the mobo's manual on how to set up raid

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    Do you have that link in english? haha :$
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    to put it basically for you, RAID is kind of like crossfire for hard drives.Thats the simplest analedgy (sp) i can think of.

    its more complicated than that though, its like using two drives as one.It can be done do back up data automatically, or to put data across two disks so it can be accessed more quickly.And as that article says, it can also be used for error checking purposes.

    im no expert on RAID, never set one up.
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    RAID 0 - Strip setup: 2 inditical drives needed for this Performance setup, it will strips all the data across 2 hard drives. Two hard drives work as one big drive, it will access the data faster than a single drive.

    Cons: It is not fault tolerance, one physical drive fail then you're screw. Noisier, because 2 drives are running at the same time and it will produces more heat for your case.

    If you choose this setup; you should have another bigger drive (non-Raid) to back up your data regurlaly.

    RAID 1 - Mirror setup: 2 inditical drives needed for this Safety setup, it mirror all the data on drive 1 to drive 2. If one drive fail then you can restore the data from the second drive.

    Cons: Not a performance setup, noisier and heat.
    edited: If data corrupted or virus on drive 1 so as on drive 2

    Overall, Raid setup is going to cost you more than a single SATA setup because you need 2 or more drives to setup. You need more fans for the case or the hard drive cooling.

    However, you will gain on the performance from your rig if you use RAID.
    I hope this is plain English enough for you.
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    but even more simply,
    raid0: faster, but if one drive dies your f***ed
    raid1: slightly slower than normal, backs up all your data from one drive to the other.
    both will end up taking more power and making more heat than one drive. but raid can be usefull if you dont mind abit of hassle.
    i hope that between us we have helped you.
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    Yeah it's alot more clear to me now thanks alot for all the input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigil View Post
    What is the differance between types of raids? and can you only set one up during a fresh install? I know it's a noob question but I am a noob so
    Yes, you only can do RAID setup at fresh install OS. Because you have to install the driver (F6 for XP or load driver for Vista under the advance customize menu) for it. Usually, you use two new hard drives for Raid setup. If you use the existing drives that have data on it then you will loose all the data as soon you create a Raid volume.

    Now you understand the concept of RAID, you can read up more about the other RAID setup (Raid 5, Raid 10...etc).
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    those other ones would be such a headache on a home machine.but, if you had the time, they could bring some major benifits/

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    RAID 5 or 10 are usually good for server. RAID 0 or 1 are suitable for Desktop comps.

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    agreed. But, if you wanted to have the speed and the data backup, you could use those kind of configerations. You just need to have many hdd's and a decent psu and mobo to support them.

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    HDD's aren't too hard on a PSU. The most power hungry ones (early 10k and 15k drives) eat a max of around 25-30w (IIRC). More modern 7k drives use 10-15w max. I once saw a salesman at a computer store suggesting they needed to up their UPS by 50w for each drive!

    3 or 4 drives would be worthwhile for a small RAID5 system (increased speed and backup), but you'll probably take a hit in your CPU during disk access. Most all SATA controllers are software RAID, despite having a BIOS level configuration. It probably isn't an issue on a modern CPU though. I remember the throughput of my CPU RAID being through the roof (don't remember what though), and you're probably losing tons more time to the hard drive access than to the CPU overhead. Personally, unless you have a really good backup routine, I would skip RAID0, since it's putting your data at so much risk.

    Does Vista finally support loading a driver from CD or flash? I hoped it would finally support RAID out of the box, but I guess that's asking too much.

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    Simple explanation m8;

    Raid 0, gives you a performance benefit at the expense of loosing data without any chance of recovery.

    Raid 1, slight reduction in drive performance compared to Raid 0 or single drive but your data is saved on 2 or more drives.

    Single drive. From my own experience this is the best route to go down, get a good HDD (would recommend the high end SATA-II Hitachi Deskstar with 16Mb Cache).
    Simply put; there is less to go wrong, its cheap, and if you back up regularly then theres no probs with disaster recovery.

    Despite what you might have heard, Raid 0 is no more or less fragile than Raid 1, depending upon how the Cache'ing options in XP and Vista are setup and if you are using a surge protector/UPS etc.

    Single drive is the best option if you are concerned about both protecting your data AND performance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebeneezer Goode View Post
    Despite what you might have heard, Raid 0 is no more or less fragile than Raid 1, depending upon how the Cache'ing options in XP and Vista are setup and if you are using a surge protector/UPS etc.
    Care to inform us of why that would be? It sounds like a poor RAID implementation, if it's not providing any data protection. I suppose if there's data that hasn't written to the hard drive when your computer instantly shuts down (power loss, etc.) , then your data is gone, but that won't be too likely and you shouldn't haven't lost more than a few minutes of work (Linux even has a sync command to flush the cache).

    With Raid 1, if the motor gives out on one drive (and causes Windows to freak out and die), you've still got a copy of the data on a second drive. There is an EXTREMELY small chance that both copies of the file system would be unfixable, but there are still disaster recovery tools to find the files without a file system.

    For a fast OS/program/important data, I would recommend a nice 4x PCIe SCSI-RAID card (around $375 from newegg) and a matched set of cheap 15k SCSI drives off Ebay in RAID 5. I just plugged a $20 PCI-X RAID card into my PCI slot, and I'm slowly building from there. I have really fast access times, but I'm stuck at a max transfer of 133MB/s.

    Also, RAID-1 should be faster than a single disk for read operations. It should assume that anything that is read is correct, and queue read requests on alternating drives. Redundancy is only used on bad blocks and bad drives, and the overhead of RAID-1's dual, simultaneous writes shouldn't be noticible with the widening gap between CPU speed and HDD speed. The overhead is completely avoided with dedicated RAID hardware (not most SATA/SATA-II controllers).

    Here's a tutorial of RAID levels: http://www.acnc.com/04_00.html

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    I'm afraid you misunderstood me there. I was specifically talking about the fragility of the RAID array its self in a physical sense and supporting hardware. Not the data stored on it

    Of course in terms of redundancy and data protection RAID 1 is the only way to go.

    For example:

    If a problem occurs within your household or place of work that causes a power surge, either type of RAID array (1 or 0) is just as likely to suffer the consequences, with the possibility of having to re-build the array and/or replace the controller, in worst case scenario those who use a RAID 1 array would be laughing as opposed to those using a RAID 0 array who would have potentially just lost everything.
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