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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Another article on the Intel 750 SSD, this time testing with older chipsets. Looks like a 750 might be in my future just as storage...no booting on Z87, but full rate transfers on PCIE 3.0 are available!

    Intel SSD 750 Series PCIe Compatibility Tested | PC Perspective

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    And SAMSUNG _finally_ NVMe enables their new product line: Samsung's four-lane PCIe SSD goes NVMe - The Tech Report

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    Too bad it wasn't with the 850 Evo drives. The 3D NANDs and NVMe would have made a killer product.
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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Too bad it wasn't with the 850 Evo drives. The 3D NANDs and NVMe would have made a killer product.
    Here's a good Comparo of AHCI & NVME performance on the 651, plus it compares the Intel 750 with it! Interesting results. If we needed a reason for NVMe, this certainly shows what it is. Performance deltas are significant!

    http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage...D-750-and-More

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    Last edited by Gu3; 17-04-2015 at 12:12. Reason: Forgot Link. Thanks JoshJaks!

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Here's a good Comparo of AHCI & NVME performance on the 651, plus it compares the Intel 750 with it! Interesting results. If we needed a reason for NVMe, this certainly shows what it is. Performance deltas are significant!

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    Think you forgot the link.

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    Think you forgot the link.
    Arrrrrghhhhhh.....fixed. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Arrrrrghhhhhh.....fixed. Thanks!

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    Thanks for that link. Very interesting. I need to rob somebody so I can afford a 750 lol
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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    As I see from the tests, the Phoenix Blade (PCIe), is a still good option, good performance, price, and most of all you don't need to rob nobody to afford it (Sandy ).

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    I am not sorry to say, until prices on SSD's match the prices of hard drives, hard drives will still be sold more than SSD's. It is not worth spending $330 on a 1TB SSD when my 2 TB Hard drive is more than half filled with just games. There is no place in my world that the $660 cost compared to a $120 2TB 7200 RPM hard drive would ever be worth it. Prices are coming down but not fast enough to pace my growing storage needs.

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    As I see from the tests, the Phoenix Blade (PCIe), is a still good option, good performance, price, and most of all you don't need to rob nobody to afford it (Sandy ).
    480GB for $549? Yeah I still need to rob people. Apparently I need to rob you since $549 is no sweat for a drive.


    Quote Originally Posted by ManofGod View Post
    I am not sorry to say, until prices on SSD's match the prices of hard drives, hard drives will still be sold more than SSD's. It is not worth spending $330 on a 1TB SSD when my 2 TB Hard drive is more than half filled with just games. There is no place in my world that the $660 cost compared to a $120 2TB 7200 RPM hard drive would ever be worth it. Prices are coming down but not fast enough to pace my growing storage needs.

    Couldnt agree more. I love what SSDs bring to the table but I can not justify spending that kind of cash for mass storage. makes it even harder to do when I see 2TB drives on sale for $89 3Tb for $109. Can barely get a 256GB SSD for that price lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    480GB for $549? Yeah I still need to rob people. Apparently I need to rob you since $549 is no sweat for a drive.
    What I meant to say, the Phoenix Blade is not that expensive (comparing price/performance), as Intel or those new Samsung, beside none will ever notice with the naked eye this humongous speed of those drives in a real life.
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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofGod View Post
    I am not sorry to say, until prices on SSD's match the prices of hard drives, hard drives will still be sold more than SSD's. It is not worth spending $330 on a 1TB SSD when my 2 TB Hard drive is more than half filled with just games. There is no place in my world that the $660 cost compared to a $120 2TB 7200 RPM hard drive would ever be worth it. Prices are coming down but not fast enough to pace my growing storage needs.
    I absolutely understand your position. I don't think I even necessarily disagree. Ultimately, the bet Sandy and I have is about how quickly those prices will come down. I think they'll come down much quicker than others believe. I'm probably wrong, but this thread is kinda being used to follow the progress of our bet. Having said that, my position is quite different from yours. For me, it makes no sense to put spinning rust in a performance machine. I don't need or want more than a couple of TB of storage in my desktop. If I need more than that, the data to my NAS/Media Server. The NAS does use HDD's, but I buy models that are meant to be on all the time and support TLER so that I can create large ZFS RAIDZ2 pools of data that are available to all of my machines. All my non-daily use data goes there.

    The real issue for me is this: When I have an overclocked i7 in my machine with 32GB of relatively fast RAM, why would I want to wait for a HDD to spin up to provide data to my processor or memory? To me, in a performance machine HDD's make absolutely no sense (even in the role of "secondary storage"). They act a bit like strapping a trailer full of gravel to your shiny new Hellcat, and then trying to race a Callaway Corvette in the quarter mile. Technically possible, maybe even competitive with 700+HP under the hood, but ultimately doomed to failure. So, in that context, $600 for 2TB is ABSOLUTELY worth it to me.

    At the end of the day though, you aren't incorrect. As long as SSD's are significantly more expensive than HDD's at the 1TB+ Capacities, HDD's will continue to be sold, probably in great volume. I just think that the day that multi-TB SSD's appear for reasonable prices is much sooner than Cyber and others do.

    Ultimately, that's what makes this thread and bet so interesting. The links that get posted in here tend to undermine my argument, but I live in hope. I still have what, 4 years and 10 months or so to win this thing!

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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    My main method of Backing up DATA is a 16TB NAS. It's between 1/4 and 1/3 full right now.
    There are also a lot of 1, 2, and 3TB HDDs in my gaming rigs for local game storage. One Photo processing PC has two 4TB drives in RAID that are duplicates of each other.

    Even if prices were to drop like a rock, I would be hard-pressed to replace them all with SSDs.
    The costs alone, (even at a low, low price) would stop me from buying new GPUs, CPUs, and motherboards. (and those six 4K screens that I want)


    And Scott:
    I think that four years is time enough for ~anything~ to happen with PC Technology. Ask yourself this,..............just how good are Holographic monitors going to be,.....

    How about a surround vision room to go with that sound?

    I can see dweebs trying to marry their PCs in the future because that's the only thing that they can get along with.
    World populations will plummet until PC's have a womb and a personality to go with it.
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    Default Re: Last gasp of a dying technology?

    When a lone 750 can out-perform a 6 drive raid0 array then the writing is on the wall in certain applications but business and home use still has a place for slower drives and I guess will have for some years to come unless.....

    Lets take the nas as an example.... whatever you install in it, limits are imposed by the network. The time has come for cheap 10GbE and 40GbE networks to be made available to the masses.... perhaps even a whole rethink on networks.

    When I have 10Gb Internet then I will be thinking of HDD as that OLD tech but right now I am thinking "not in my lifetime"
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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    My main method of Backing up DATA is a 16TB NAS. It's between 1/4 and 1/3 full right now.
    There are also a lot of 1, 2, and 3TB HDDs in my gaming rigs for local game storage. One Photo processing PC has two 4TB drives in RAID that are duplicates of each other.

    Even if prices were to drop like a rock, I would be hard-pressed to replace them all with SSDs.
    The costs alone, (even at a low, low price) would stop me from buying new GPUs, CPUs, and motherboards. (and those six 4K screens that I want)


    And Scott:
    I think that four years is time enough for ~anything~ to happen with PC Technology. Ask yourself this,..............just how good are Holographic monitors going to be,.....

    How about a surround vision room to go with that sound?

    I can see dweebs trying to marry their PCs in the future because that's the only thing that they can get along with.
    World populations will plummet until PC's have a womb and a personality to go with it.
    ROFL. Someone marrying a PC will happen.

    And I keep telling myself giving the high rate of improvement in the SSD market, that we'll get there!!! 4.5 years is a LONG time!

    FInally, I admit I'm spoiled, I have SSD's everyplace except my NAS box (which boots from an SSD), so my position is certainly biased! Given what I've paid for HDD's over the years, I think (Frankly) that SSD's ARE inexpensive for what you get. We have been unbeleiveably spoiled by the ridiculous prices of HDD's! (Not that I'm complaining!).

    S.

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    Gawd, I'd LOVE a 10GB Ethernet.

    10GB Interent? Wouldn't that be nice. I'm not holding my breath on that one, not because fiber couldn't be built to carry it, but I'm not convinced that switching capabile of managing the backbone necessary to handle millions of consumers with 10GB last mile pipes are going to exist any time soon. Sort of like building a freeway system for several million Bugatti Veyrons...all operating at 150+ mph.

    Gack.

    As for HDD's being OLD, I think that will happen far quicker than that 10GB Internet !!! (I'm hoping anyway!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    FInally, I admit I'm spoiled, I have SSD's everyplace except my NAS box (which boots from an SSD), so my position is certainly biased! Given what I've paid for HDD's over the years, I think (Frankly) that SSD's ARE inexpensive for what you get. We have been unbeleiveably spoiled by the ridiculous prices of HDD's! (Not that I'm complaining!).

    S.
    I have at least one SSD in every one of my PCs too. So we're both spoiled.

    HDD prices ~used~ to be a lot better than now, that is until there was a flood somewhere where they're made, and they became hard to get.
    Prices rose upon that shortage.
    Unfortunately, they never dropped back down to what they were before that stinking flood. I blame that on the HDD maker's greed. They found out that we would pay more for those drives and liked it.

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