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    from what i've read, ipods have "ok" sound quality, they are by no means as good as many other brands, including the Zen. Sansa had a really bad rep for sound quality, but a few of their newer players border on audiophile, especially the Sansa clip. Cowon have the best sound of any players.

    ipods have a good interface, but that's it, there is always an ipod beater at any price level. ipods certainly aren't crap, just not the best.

    And the audio quality is not relevent if you use normal (cheap)headphones, but if you spend out on a decent pair and perhaps a portable headphone amp, the differences really show up.

    I'm too used to top of the line sound quality to skimp here, i find listening to music with sub par gear a truly boring and unpleasurable experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    from what i've read, ipods have "ok" sound quality, they are by no means as good as many other brands, including the Zen. Sansa had a really bad rep for sound quality, but a few of their newer players border on audiophile, especially the Sansa clip. Cowon have the best sound of any players.

    ipods have a good interface, but that's it, there is always an ipod beater at any price level. ipods certainly aren't crap, just not the best.

    And the audio quality is not relevent if you use normal (cheap)headphones, but if you spend out on a decent pair and perhaps a portable headphone amp, the differences really show up.

    I'm too used to top of the line sound quality to skimp here, i find listening to music with sub par gear a truly boring and unpleasurable experience.
    Im not an ipod lover either i h8 following the masses but i am slowly being seduced by it but atm i cnt find an alternative i want something small ( and has atleast 8G that wnt disturb my pocket which has my wallet keys and mobile phne inside plus loose change. Sansa has been gr8 but soon i feel i will go down the nano route if creative dnt bring out an alternative soon i used to have their zen micro b4 loved it.

    Kool so do u use those big earmuff headphones onez u c dj's use or the small earphones that go in to ur ears and block out all external noise which dnt let u hear a car beeping at u when u cross the road.....

    Whats a decent pair i wanna experience this sound quality without spending £100 though

    so what should i go for when encoding

    MP3 128 192 or 256 kps

    or

    WMV 128 192 ????
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    why not go up to 320?, those have the better sound quality, and doesnt take up alot of space
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by say what View Post
    why not go up to 320?, those have the better sound quality, and doesnt take up alot of space
    320 wmv or mp3 it nearly doubles the size of the file which halves the amount of space on my 8gb mp3
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    go for 256k minimum if you can, that should do the trick.

    I use large open headphones (Sennhieser HD590's), but i realize these aren't ideal for every day use, or airplane use (my main reason for wanting an mp3 player), and because of the size they can be hard to drive properly with mp3 players that skimp on a good headphone connection, so i'm looking to get some ear canal phones like the ones from Shure.

    For under £100? I'm not sure really as i've been looking at higher end models.

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    no what you gotta do is go for VBR average bit rate of 256 then you get up to 320 and as low as 160 (128) depending on the quality settings. trust me thats the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    go for 256k minimum if you can, that should do the trick.

    I use large open headphones (Sennhieser HD590's), but i realize these aren't ideal for every day use, or airplane use (my main reason for wanting an mp3 player), and because of the size they can be hard to drive properly with mp3 players that skimp on a good headphone connection, so i'm looking to get some ear canal phones like the ones from Shure.

    For under £100? I'm not sure really as i've been looking at higher end models.
    Quote Originally Posted by smith View Post
    no what you gotta do is go for VBR average bit rate of 256 then you get up to 320 and as low as 160 (128) depending on the quality settings. trust me thats the way to go.

    Whats VBR?

    over £100 on headphones no way dnt worry il stick with my £12 sony headphones


    I use my mp3 every day travelling from work got a 1hr30min journey eachway so in total spend 3hrs a day travelling on the tube.

    so alot of time to listen to music and read a book
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    vbr is a way of encoding mp3's, it then checks the audio and encodes it at different bit rates on the fly depending on the complexity of the signal.

    As for £12 Sony headphones... once you actually get decent ones you'll never be able to go back, the difference is like night and day, and i'm not talking about subtle differences.

    What would happen if you upgraded is you would think they sound amazing, then a week later, not so amazing, but then you'll use your £12 Sony's again and feel like you've got an infection in both ears, and never ever go back to wannabe headphones.

    If you don't want t spend too much, perhaps you could go for the Etymotic ER-6i ECH headphones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    vbr is a way of encoding mp3's, it then checks the audio and encodes it at different bit rates on the fly depending on the complexity of the signal.

    As for £12 Sony headphones... once you actually get decent ones you'll never be able to go back, the difference is like night and day, and i'm not talking about subtle differences.

    What would happen if you upgraded is you would think they sound amazing, then a week later, not so amazing, but then you'll use your £12 Sony's again and feel like you've got an infection in both ears, and never ever go back to wannabe headphones.

    If you don't want t spend too much, perhaps you could go for the Etymotic ER-6i ECH headphones.
    So if i buy these (ETYMOTIC ER_6i) and i am definetly considering it will change my music listening experience forever? lol will that cone fit all the way inside my ear? looks like it will stick out a bit to me


    what are the best earphones then or the ones you have or would like to have?

    oh and what mp3 do u use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    vbr is a way of encoding mp3's, it then checks the audio and encodes it at different bit rates on the fly depending on the complexity of the signal.

    As for £12 Sony headphones... once you actually get decent ones you'll never be able to go back, the difference is like night and day, and i'm not talking about subtle differences.

    What would happen if you upgraded is you would think they sound amazing, then a week later, not so amazing, but then you'll use your £12 Sony's again and feel like you've got an infection in both ears, and never ever go back to wannabe headphones.

    If you don't want t spend too much, perhaps you could go for the Etymotic ER-6i ECH headphones.

    what about these ones are these onez any good

    Shure SE110 Sound Isolating Earphones

    http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/...22c5992938814a

    or are the Etymotic better i just dnt like the white design plus the cable looks flimsy
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    the Etymotic's come in black, but yeah, i suppose the cable does look a little flimsy. Shure make some great ECH cans, but i'm not sure the SE110 are there best. Could look at the Sennheiser CX500's or the CX300's.

    I don't have an mp3 player yet. I use Sennhieser HD590's through a proper amp heaphone input through my PC. I used to use HD600's with an EMU1010m pro soundcard, which was excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    the Etymotic's come in black, but yeah, i suppose the cable does look a little flimsy. Shure make some great ECH cans, but i'm not sure the SE110 are there best. Could look at the Sennheiser CX500's or the CX300's.

    I don't have an mp3 player yet. I use Sennhieser HD590's through a proper amp heaphone input through my PC. I used to use HD600's with an EMU1010m pro soundcard, which was excellent.
    thanks for the advice looks like im going to buy the seinheiser ones cx500 for £50 and experience this revolution in sound
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    well i should point out that i've never used any small ear canal headphones before, i'm just going by what i've read - that they can be as good big open ended cans. For home use i'd always go for the big ones, but for on the go use, well, you have no choice.

    These little ECH headphones are not related to "ear bud" headphones, they are an entirely different concept, and the key reason for going this route is much better bass response (along with the potential for audiophile quality, something ear buds can't get anywhere near), so i feel confident they will blow your current ones out of the water.

    If you grab them let me know what you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    well i should point out that i've never used any small ear canal headphones before, i'm just going by what i've read - that they can be as good big open ended cans. For home use i'd always go for the big ones, but for on the go use, well, you have no choice.

    These little ECH headphones are not related to "ear bud" headphones, they are an entirely different concept, and the key reason for going this route is much better bass response (along with the potential for audiophile quality, something ear buds can't get anywhere near), so i feel confident they will blow your current ones out of the water.

    If you grab them let me know what you think
    could u recomend a good sound card for my pc and speakers to go with plz thnx
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    Do you mean powered PC speakers? Personally i wouldn't go this route for the same reasons i'd not buy cheaper headphones, they are not going to offer proper audiophile sound. So i know not what to recommend in this area.

    Infact even a cheap hifi seperates setup will sound poor once you get used to a good headphone setup. Expect to fork out at least £1000 on just an amp and speakers to get anywhere near an expensive headphone setup. Sounds crazy but it's true!

    As for a decent soundcard. I'd also go away from the norm, ignore all gaming cards and go for an EMU 0404. This is a cheap, professional card with no gaming features, but for music playback it is stunning thanks to the super high quality dacs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    Do you mean powered PC speakers? Personally i wouldn't go this route for the same reasons i'd not buy cheaper headphones, they are not going to offer proper audiophile sound. So i know not what to recommend in this area.

    Infact even a cheap hifi seperates setup will sound poor once you get used to a good headphone setup. Expect to fork out at least £1000 on just an amp and speakers to get anywhere near an expensive headphone setup. Sounds crazy but it's true!

    As for a decent soundcard. I'd also go away from the norm, ignore all gaming cards and go for an EMU 0404. This is a cheap, professional card with no gaming features, but for music playback it is stunning thanks to the super high quality dacs.
    What do you think of creatives Xmod ? thinking of getting it to improve the sound from my mp3's
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