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    You don't know me and that's the way i like it!

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    Direct comments from Case Labs. Taken from Facebook Post

    Fellow enthusiasts and case modders,


    For those who know me, you know I am not a person to create drama. Nor am I a person to be dishonest, or try to slander someone out of spite. With that being said I can no longer hold my tongue about Shannon Robb “Case Designer” at Thermaltake. For those of you at Computex you may know what I’m talking about… Thermaltake has just announced their “new” case line last night, the “new TT premium line W series extreme chassis”. It is more than evident this is a stolen concept. Not only did Shannon clone our Mercury line, with his Core line, but now they have stolen our MAGNUM and Merlin designs as well.
    Sit back, here is how the story goes…


    Back in July of 2013 we exhibited at PDXLAN 22 with 2 of our Merlin SM8 cases which we gave away (Matt Conwell hooked us up, and I must say he is an awesome person.). At this event people for the first time got to see us with one of our cases in person. We didn’t have a booth, but we got so much good feedback we decided to come back for PDXLAN 23, but this time as an official sponsor of the event. We got a booth and we brought a bunch of different cases to show off including the Mercury case line (S3, S5 and S8). It was at this time we found out Thermaltake was a major sponsor if this event (and have been) and their case designer, Shannon, was in attendance (as he usually is). Shannon was introduced to my dad (CL owner) and I via a mutual friend. Shannon then proceeded to tell us how much he liked our cases, and he was a big fan. He seemed very genuine, and overall a nice person. He started asking us about our cases and said, “Wow I wish our company made cases like this, can I take some pictures to send to our R&D department?” A bit flabbergasted I told him no which he then replied, “Well I guess we will just buy one then.” I was a little put off, but whatever. I shrugged it off, and kept talking to him about the cases. Oh and I almost forgot… Thermaltake did buy one of our cases back in September of the 2013, just 2 months after we showed off the Merlin SM8 for the first time. I guess he wasn’t kidding when he said he would just buy a case…

    Next event, PDXLAN 24. We had a Mercury S3 we brought with us for Sapphire. They liked the fact that it was horizontal with a window on the side so they could show off their GPU. Thermaltake, AKA Shannon, gave Sapphire an AIO 240 cooler for the build and helped them build the case at the event. Once the case was up a running, Shannon came over to our booth and shook my dad’s hand. He said, “That was such a great case to build in, nice work!” Well my dad felt very gratified knowing another manufacture was giving him praise for his design. We also brought with us our new prototype, the X2… then this is where it all turned ugly…


    PDXLAN 25. Thermaltake announces the Core case line, the X1, X2 and X9 cases. The cases feature a modular design, horizontal mobo cube style, windows on both sides, drop-in radiator mounts, stackable, mITX, mATX and ATX form factors and a ventilation pattern identical to all of our cases. These features ALL are part of the Mercury line which we brought with us just 1 year ago, and what he built in 6 months prior. Funny it takes companies about a year to release new product, right? We knew about the cases before the event, but we kept our cool. My dad even went as far to speak to Shannon and ask him how he was doing. I kept pretty quiet. Shannon told my dad, “The new line was doing very well and hoped that one day he would make cases as good as ours. They were not there yet, but it was his main objective while working there.”


    Computex 2015… Shannon was thrilled to announce “My new babies have arrived!” on Facebook. I was fortunate enough to see this late at night so I had plenty to keep me from sleeping well (actually not at all really, yay for coffee!). I also received several notices from people at the event telling me that Thermaltake had ripped us off yet again.


    All of these events happened, and I did not make up anything, not a thing. Simply put, Shannon and Thermaltake, you disgust me. We are all for innovation, and welcome new case concepts from other manufactures. We have said this publicly and I’m saying it again. There have been some AMAZGING things to happen to the enthusiast market, and it’s better for everyone. Copying people’s existing concepts and calling them your own stifles innovation and hurts the industry with dull already done designs. We are a small family owned and operated business who make their products in the USA with pride. Anyone can steal designs and have them made overseas for much much less. So do something with your own creativity and concepts or do nothing at all.
    Shannon if you read this and I hope you do. The only reason I became friends with you on Facebook was because my dad genuinely believed you were a good guy and that I should give you a chance. That’s why you may have noticed I sent you a friend request after you sent me one. I had deleted your request, and after speaking to my dad I sent you one, and voila, we became “friends”. I feel a bit “high school” adding this part, but I wanted you to know that.
    For all who have read this, thank you for taking the time. We have worked tirelessly on our designs and can’t just sit back while people rip us off. I am asking everyone to share this post. Please, it needs to be done or businesses like Thermaltake will continue to taint the industry with rip-off products. To all of you who noticed the stolen concepts and took the time to tell us, thank you your support means the world to us.


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    Default Re: Thermaltake copying designs from other companies?

    click the link and look at all the stuff that has been copied!
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    I looked. Raises a few question to say the least.
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    Wen I saw there case on Facebook I said dam cool Case Labs case.But then saw it was a Tt case. I was like WTF it looks like mine.Thermaltake copying designs from other companies?-tylers-rig-030.jpg
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    Default Re: Thermaltake copying designs from other companies?

    makes you really wonder about Thermaltake
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    Unprecedented shame for Thermaltake.

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    Default Re: Thermaltake copying designs from other companies?

    Wow. That's crazy. Did you see the Fractal Define Copy, or the Apogee XL copy that TTL showed in his video? Utterly amazing.

    Sad too.

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    You don't know me and that's the way i like it!

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    He needs to quit winning and sue. That is if the have a trademark and patent on their designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamCR3 View Post
    He needs to quit winning and sue. That is if the have a trademark and patent on their designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Wow. That's crazy. Did you see the Fractal Define Copy, or the Apogee XL copy that TTL showed in his video? Utterly amazing.

    Sad too.

    S.
    Hold up on the Swiftech talk. That is not a copy, it is an actual Apogee XL made by Swiftech for Tt, and they document that. They are not claiming it as their own design.

    BUT......that Define R5 copy is so blatant it is absurd. Right down to the chrome feet. The Case Labs copy is again a direct rip off. The fan controller you could also argue is a BitFenix Recon copy.

    I thought Cooler Master had cojones showing off a direct copy of ID Cooling's vapor chamber design at CES, but you seriously need a brass pair for that R5 clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    Hold up on the Swiftech talk. That is not a copy, it is an actual Apogee XL made by Swiftech for Tt, and they document that. They are not claiming it as their own design.

    BUT......that Define R5 copy is so blatant it is absurd. Right down to the chrome feet. The Case Labs copy is again a direct rip off. The fan controller you could also argue is a BitFenix Recon copy.

    I thought Cooler Master had cojones showing off a direct copy of ID Cooling's vapor chamber design at CES, but you seriously need a brass pair for that R5 clone.


    Nah man I think CM won when it comes to cojones. That ID Cooling thing was insanely ridiculous. I mean it looked exactly like the prototype ID cooling showed off previously. Like they went inside, stole it then came outside and said look what I made.

    Can't say much about the D5. It was so obvious I turned the video off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    Hold up on the Swiftech talk. That is not a copy, it is an actual Apogee XL made by Swiftech for Tt, and they document that. They are not claiming it as their own design.

    BUT......that Define R5 copy is so blatant it is absurd. Right down to the chrome feet. The Case Labs copy is again a direct rip off. The fan controller you could also argue is a BitFenix Recon copy.

    I thought Cooler Master had cojones showing off a direct copy of ID Cooling's vapor chamber design at CES, but you seriously need a brass pair for that R5 clone.
    Fair comment, I was so appalled by the Define R5 clone that I didn't really do any research on the Apogee. Good catch.

    It's funny, I was watching the video above, and it struck me that back in the Old days when Computer Shopper was a 2" Thick Large Format catalog/magazine that there were a number of Companies that made blatant clones of popular PC cases. Admittedly, in those days, "Popular" included generic beige boxes. Now, when companies like CaseLabs & Fractal have very identifiable design characteristics, it seems crazy galling, but back then, nobody cared. An interesting change in the times...I think it's a really sad testament that TT would so blatantly copy a competitor, without even a pretense of simply designing something of their own that was "inspired" by the competition.

    Since I'm a Fractal fan, I can see a number of small differences between the R5/R4 and that TT thing, but they really go along the lines of keeping the looks while making it cheaper to make. Internally though, it's dramatically different, and substantially more cheaply designed.

    Really what they're doing with the R5 clone is trying to steal the "look", and frankly, they've succeeded. The Define is substantially superior though. What's sad is that the "look" is really what Fractal is known for, or at least it's what pulls customers in...the build quality and features keep them, but I can see Fractal losing customers for the Define series to the TT, sheerly from a cost approach for people that want the look, but don't want to pay for the Fractal name.

    I can't speak to the CaseLabs clone as I really don't have any experience with them. But I expect the CaseLabs hardware is much the same, superior in almost every way, but MUCH more expensive than the TT....<sigh>.

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    i have a CaseLabs SM8 and the TT version iooks exactly like the CaseLabs. Look at Jim's CaseLabs case in the pic above and you can see it's basically the same thing.

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    Fair comment, I was so appalled by the Define R5 clone that I didn't really do any research on the Apogee. Good catch.

    It's funny, I was watching the video above, and it struck me that back in the Old days when Computer Shopper was a 2" Thick Large Format catalog/magazine that there were a number of Companies that made blatant clones of popular PC cases. Admittedly, in those days, "Popular" included generic beige boxes. Now, when companies like CaseLabs & Fractal have very identifiable design characteristics, it seems crazy galling, but back then, nobody cared. An interesting change in the times...I think it's a really sad testament that TT would so blatantly copy a competitor, without even a pretense of simply designing something of their own that was "inspired" by the competition.

    Since I'm a Fractal fan, I can see a number of small differences between the R5/R4 and that TT thing, but they really go along the lines of keeping the looks while making it cheaper to make. Internally though, it's dramatically different, and substantially more cheaply designed.

    Really what they're doing with the R5 clone is trying to steal the "look", and frankly, they've succeeded. The Define is substantially superior though. What's sad is that the "look" is really what Fractal is known for, or at least it's what pulls customers in...the build quality and features keep them, but I can see Fractal losing customers for the Define series to the TT, sheerly from a cost approach for people that want the look, but don't want to pay for the Fractal name.

    I can't speak to the CaseLabs clone as I really don't have any experience with them. But I expect the CaseLabs hardware is much the same, superior in almost every way, but MUCH more expensive than the TT....<sigh>.

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    Yeah sad but...............I can't afford a case labs case so ummmmm hey TT can I get one of those Clones? And that folks is why TT will still sell a **** ton of cases.
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