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    Default Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany




    "The Devil is in the contract details"

    The first is a article of the German gaming magazine GameStar on their website. They hired a professional lawyer to analyze the ToS of EAs Origin and the result was devastating.
    EA enables themselves to gather like all the information on the computer and process the data, possibly leading to massive privacy violation.

    German Source // Translated Source

    "Origin analyzed my tax program!"

    On the Amazon forums the Origin program caused a massive outcry. People used Process Monitor to scan Origins behaviour and posted pictures of the program accessing files of their tax management program (Picture/Video) and their cell phone manager (Picture).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TAZ-HN9cOk&

    "Battlefield 3 is the worst rated game on Amazon ever"
    People give the game, or should I rather say the client 1 star in an enormous number. Unverified reports talk about 90,000€ loss on Amazon alone by now from returned games.


    German Reviews // Translated Source


    "Retailers accept the return of opened copies of BF3!"

    The German electronic retailers Media Markt/Saturn (like Best Buy or something like that for you Americans) accept returns of opened and used (key) copies of the game. Not that that would be common behaviour.
    Sources would be too many to show them all but here is one:
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    "Attention rising with print media"

    The first known print media article was released in the "Lübecker Zeitung", you can see a picture of it here, the article is in German.
    The headline says: "Datatrap in new shootergame"


    "Fight for files / Spyware included"

    The popular radio station 1Live for younger audiences presents an article about EA as well on the top of their website.
    "Battlefield 3 was the most anticipated game of the year for many people.
    But EA is belived to put Spyware (Origin) into their game what is a mood killer for the gamers."


    German Source // Translated Source

    "Games giant wants to spy on customers"
    ...is the headline of another media company who picked the topic up as well and even as top article of their website.
    "Der Spiegel" is the biggest German weekly newspaper and its online activity is one of the most important source for news in Germany.

    German Source // Translated Source

    "Online petition to take Battlefield 3 off the shelves in Germany!"
    Some of the protesters started a petition to stop selling Battlefield 3 in Germany as an preventive move. "The publisher of the game,
    EA, has got paragraphs in their ToS that clearly infringe the German laws. EA enables themselves to have complete access to sensitive data.
    This selling stop is not permanent but until the company changes its ToS in such a way that it does not interfere with the law."
    By now, almost 4 000 people signed this petition. If they get 50 000 in 90 days, the politicians will talk about this in the Federal Council of Germany.

    German Source // Translation won't work, sorry

    I hope this thread is okay this way, I wanted to give you as much information as I can and worked like 1,5h on this and I can.
    Germans should take a look at http://theorigin.de/ where you can find information on the matter.

    Please feel free to discuss but don't let it go out of hand.
    I would recommend this to those who don't want your PC scanned, but want to play BF3; >>http://www.sandboxie.com

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    holy crap, thats some serious privacy invasion, guess it pays to read the EULA


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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    Thanks man


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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    So I just confirmed it on the EULA and it does say: "We have the right to Fully MONITOR and SCAN non EA related Software on your computer"... Uninstalling it right now and installing a new one after I install Sandboxie.

    Now I know anti-hacking is one thing... But this is taking it to the other level.


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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    Think this puts a damper on sales. Hopefully class action lawsuits follow.

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    I won't buy this game, no matter how cool it is. I shouldn't have to use sandboxie to protect my privacy. I hope this doesn't catch on with other companies.

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    You think it won't? As much as as we hate to think that Anti-Privacy and Hacking is more likely to occur on the PC version of games this might well be the only way means company's have to protect there investments. Which is a horrible method... But it gives results. I also guess we are at fault for not reading the Agreements and agreeing to them... Dam I feel stupid.
    Last edited by Mastervivi10; 30-10-2011 at 01:45.


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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    Installed Process Monitor to see what Origin.exe was up to.. turn Origin on and GOOD GOD!! what file it isn't snooping into!

    Just like this image;



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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Mastervivi10 View Post
    You think it won't? As much as as we hate to think that Anti-Privacy and Hacking is more likely to occur on the PC version of games this might well be the only way means company's have to protect there investments. Which is a horrible method... But it gives results. I also guess we are at fault for not reading the Agreements and agreeing to them... Dam I feel stupid.
    Invasion of privacy is no answer to protection of investments. They don't have the right to do this. They shouldn't even try to trick people into signing away their rights like this. They are bottom feeders.
    If this sort of BS goes to other games then they'll be effected financially, just like EA certainly will. Who wants to buy a slice of big brother breathing down your neck? Who wants pay 60 Bucks to throw privacy down the friggin' drain,.....just to play a game?
    This kind of Bovine Feces has to be nipped in the bud from the start.

    Knowledge is power though, and armed with this knowledge, we can speak our displeasure in the only language that they really understand,...dollars and cents. (insert your currency here)

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    Invasion of privacy is no answer to protection of investments. They don't have the right to do this. They shouldn't even try to trick people into signing away their rights like this. They are bottom feeders.
    If this sort of BS goes to other games then they'll be effected financially, just like EA certainly will. Who wants to buy a slice of big brother breathing down your neck? Who wants pay 60 Bucks to throw privacy down the friggin' drain,.....just to play a game?
    This kind of Bovine Feces has to be nipped in the bud from the start.

    Knowledge is power though, and armed with this knowledge, we can speak our displeasure in the only language that they really understand,...dollars and cents. (insert your currency here)
    I agree. No more EA games for me until they remove the spyware and revise the EULA.

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    No interest in BF3 personally. Just want to point out that Germany is currently the foremost advocate of online privacy rights in the world. They're downright paranoid. Germany is the exception, not the norm.

    I've no love for EA or Origin. But we do need a competitor to Steam, who is the Microsoft of digital content distribution companies. It would be nice if the German "outrage" forced a global policy change in Origin, but it is only a small percentage of EA's consumer base, and would likely only affect changes to their policy within Germany.

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    Default Re: Battlefield 3 outrage in Germany

    This is so wrong. I just uninstalled Origin and very disappointed in EA and knowingly doing this to their customers. I've seen companies shoot themselves in the foot but this is just stupidity.

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