Gaming Keyboard/Mice

[Minty]

I was wondering which was better. Is the Logitech MX518 better than the Razer Diamondback Plasma? I want it for gaming and just work/surfing and life.

[smith]

ive heard a lot of good things about the dimondback, personaly i use logitec (g7) works well. i think either choice is a good one.

[Ciro]

I'm a few days away from getting a Diamondback. Dosen't compare to the Copperhead but will easily knock of any Logitech. Great value as well.

[romeozor]

i wouldnt touch razer with a wooden stick with a condom on it ok engough about personal taste.
razer may have some cool looking mice with a nice name and flashy LEDs and i wont doubt that they can perform well, but i own my MX518 for 2 years now and i wouldnt trade it for anything. if you are a regular gamer then it doesnt really matter which you pick, all do well, but i have seen more than one hardcore gamer selling their razer mice

and again if you want to step up from a common mouse (ball or mainstream optical) it doesnt matter which you pick because you wont know what the other would be thuss you wont miss anything, you'll have to get used to it anyway.

[Minty]

I think the MX518 is better and have heard some bad things about the razer side buttons. Is this true?

[Jameson]

the side buttons are not really usable on the copperhead, probably the same for the diamondback.

If i was looking for a mouse right now i'd look very hard at the deathadder or habu.

[MaskofZoro]

the side buttons are not really usable on the copperhead, probably the same for the diamondback.

If i was looking for a mouse right now i'd look very hard at the deathadder or habu.

Who makes those? I've never heard of them before. Also note many "Gaming mice" are like those "monster cables" that you overpay for, i.e. you're overcharged for the same mouse sensor in a different molding with a "new name" that doesn't mean anything in relation to it being different from the cheap mice!) My old logitech optical is as good as my MX510/518 in terms of gameplay. There was an excellent mouse review article done my ES reality here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679

[Jameson]

their testing is flawed, they reviewed the a4tech mouse and thought it was better than a copperhead... that's what their testing told them.

I do like there testing methods as it can show up poor mice performance, but they don't seem to actually play with the mice at all, i found the a4tech/ocz a waste of time for gaming because it was extremly jittery, check the review, i made a small movie showing how bad it was, if that doesn't convince you ES reality aren't getting things right, nothing will.

The lazer is important and just as you said, you can find the same lazers in a lot of mice, some high priced and some low, but what about polling rate, which is based on other factors? If a mouse cannot support a high polling rate it's a waste of time imo, thats why the a4tech's are poor.

Plus size, shape, weight, build quality - all these things play a role. So though i get your point and agree on some of it, i truly disagree that expensive mice are like expensive cables, thats just way too extreme.

btw, the deathadder is from Razer, Habu is by microsoft and razer, both use the same internals.

[Minty]

How much is the deathadder and Habu? What do you use and how do you like it?

[Minty]

Which is better for gaming laser or optical? My options are basically the MX518, G5, or Acid Green Razer Diamonback.

[smith]

lazer 2000 dpi thats all you need trust me it will feel like its too fast anyway if your upgradeing from a reg. mouse.

[Jameson]

Habu is £35 in the UK, a very good choice imo.

To be perfectly honest, Maskofzoro gave the best advice, all these mice you've mentioned all offer great perfomance. What you need to do is find a way to test them in a shop to see which one feels best to you.

All the advice here should be taken with a pinch of salt, i absolutely adore my Copperhead, for example, but i know other good player who hate it and literally break it within a week. Mice are like speakers, you need to test them before you buy, the choice is too personal.

...and on that comment james goes off in hunt of a life for thinking that choosing a mouse is a spiritual journey

[Jameson]

lazer 2000 dpi thats all you need trust me it will feel like its too fast anyway if your upgradeing from a reg. mouse.

on that logic wouldn't the OCZ Equalizer be a good choice with it's 2500 dpi engine? theres more to a mouse than plain hard dpi figures.

[romeozor]

hmm 2000 dpi.....my mx518 can scan 1600 max. hell i only use it at 400-550, fps games dont need more if ones on the aim. i dunno what i'd do with 1600dpi, probably good for bf2 when you want to take off with a jet

[Jameson]

the point of high dpi isn't to make a mouse move fast, you're meant to lower the windows mouse speed, up the dpi to high and benefit from more scans per inch which in turn will make the mouse more accurate.

I found this little tid bit that helps: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb206183.aspx

A standard computer mouse returns data at 400 dots per inch (DPI), whereas a high-definition mouse generates data at 800 DPI or greater. This makes input from a high-definition mouse much more precise than that from a standard mouse.

if your using a 1600 dpi mouse on its 400 dpi setting you might aswell of bought the Clunkjunk Pepperhead mouse from Uzbekistan.

i like to run my CH at 2000dpi and quick switch down two notches for awping, like you said, in some situations you don't need it (high dpi).

At least i think that's how dpi works, correct me if i'm wrong.

[Minty]

So lazer is better than opptical for FPSes like BF2 and CSS, right?
The habu is too expensive. I am not willing to go that high. I want good preformance but not at that price. The highest I will go is 43 the cost of a g5. However I am leaning towards the MX518. Is that a good choice?