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    Okay i going to show you what a buddy of mine is going planning to order in about 2 weeks. He's been on a old like 6 year old laptop, Now wants a Desktop. But from what looks like he picked out looks pretty good i think. His budget is $1000, But it went to $1100 which he don't want to do but he wants to see if it will all work ok so im posting this for him since his laptop is pretty much blown up lol.

    He plans to upgrade memory in a month or so to 8g, So yes mem size is little low but need to make sure it's decent memory with the whole system.

    Okay without further to do here is the system...

    Motherboard... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128425

    CPU... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115067

    Memory (Until he gets more money to get another 4g kit to put in there)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145218

    Video Card, This is was one thing he don't know what to do for Cards, what kind or what brand. He wants best bang for buck. He is planning to game with it, SC2 & D3. Also with these 2 cards i posted will set a different final price for ordering.

    [b] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130568 [/b[ $1100
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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130339 $1000


    HDD (for now until he gets more money to put another HDD in)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136320


    DVD Writer... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106335

    DVD-ROM... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106276

    Case /PSU... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129064

    Monitor... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001383


    Okay that's it for what he's getting, Do you guys think it's a good setup? Think it will all work together? If there is something you'd change out that would give better performance then that with same price range then let me know please.

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    Pretty good setup on the whole. Suggestions/comments:

    -Get the 750 CPU instead of the 760. Save a bit of money and won't notice the difference. The 750 can be EASILY overclocked to beat the 760 in about 30 seconds with some help from people here.

    -Do NOT go with the 9800GTX. Old tech, don't bother. Go with the GTX 460. But to save some money, get the 768MB version. AND get a stock speed one, don't bother with an overclocked version. That'll save even more money. These GTX 460's overclock like champs. Again, 30 seconds to get the overclock settings back up to the factory overclock and save the cash instead.

    -Why a DVD-ROM and DVD-Writer? No need. Just drop the ROM, get the Writer. Save money there.

    -I'm normally not a fan of combination case/power supply but Antec does make good PSUs so he should be fine with that setup.

    -Don't worry about upgrading memory, that stuff is fine for him.

    Everything else looks pretty good, nice selection.

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    Here's my 2 cents. I agree with what Skyguy says, except for the following:

    GTX 460 1gb is substantially better than 768MB in every way. It is worth the addl. price. Can get this Palit card for $206 after shipping and mail-in rebate. Or get this EVGA for $232 for the free Metro 2033 game.

    That hard drive is too expensive for only 500GB. Also, do not buy OEM hard drives from Newegg. They are notorious for improper packaging of OEM drives. Get a retail box (more protected) or buy from a store like CompUSA, Microcenter or Fry's. A good alternative to the Caviar Black, and just as fast, is the Samsung Spinpoint F3 (make sure it's that model). Can get a fast 1 TB for under $70.

    Only 20" monitor? And a 1600x900 resolution? Go for a 22" at 1680x1050 or a 24" at 1920x1080.
    Here's an example, another example. Also, I highly recommend buying monitors locally so you can exchange them if they have issues or bad pixels. Surprisingly, walmart.com has good prices and you can return it to the store within 90 days. And if you have access to Costco, they also have a 90 exchange policy.

    RAM - do not mix/match two different sets of 2x2GB RAM. Sure-fire way to cause potential issues. Get all the RAM matched now in a 4x2 set if he has a need for 8GB (why does he need 8GB - does he do engineering work or video rendering?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyZ View Post
    Okay i going to show you what a buddy of mine is going planning to order in about 2 weeks. He's been on a old like 6 year old laptop, Now wants a Desktop. But from what looks like he picked out looks pretty good i think. His budget is $1000, But it went to $1100 which he don't want to do but he wants to see if it will all work ok so im posting this for him since his laptop is pretty much blown up lol.

    Eido. Please read the fine print. He also said he will upgrade to 4G when he gets the money. In a perfect world you make sense but he has limitations.

    My friend owns a computer shop in Indy. There is nothing wrong with OEM HDD's and their packaging. Yes OEM comes unboxed but in a sealed package. NewEgg fills the box with foam and it is very well protected. I have bought many things from NewEgg and if anything comes damaged, they replace it.
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    Ninja edit: Didn't see combo pricing of Antec 900 + PSU.....
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    I agree with Sky, if he uses EVGA Percision he can overclock the card. I also agree with the 500GB I buy all my hard drives OEM it's comes wrapped in bubble wrap what's the big deal ? My OEMs have out lasted the retail drives, all that should matter is that they both come with warrantys.

    I did not see Freaky mention anything about about mismatching the memory, give the guy a little bit of credit, he's building this for his friend he's not going to give him a poor performing system, he has to see the guy all the time.

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    Thanks for the replies.


    Okay Eido.. I've bought OEM WD Drives from Newegg for 10 years now. And i wont buy nothign but a WD Drive, And i've had WONDERFUL luck and performance with the Blacks since they came out. So i wont be changing that & will pay the extra few $'s for it, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.

    Now as for Monitors, He is on a budget, He's on a old 6 year laptop with 17 inch screen, So to 20 is bigger and still nice, Good prices you posted but dont' have a CompUSA here local... Another thing like the WD Drives I wont own or build a system for a GOOD buddy of mine or even a normal Customer unless they ask for something different but use a Samsung Monitor, I've used multiple brands and Samsung to me is by far the best picture i've had. So once again, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.

    As for Memory, Okay I've been Building computers for others and been co-owner in this computer shop for 10 years now, So i know not to mix/match memory. So i picked a Kit of Memory that i know will be able to order another kit of it to MATCH in the system, I've done that to 100's of systems for folks that wanted to upgrade there memory. And again, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.

    Okay so i'm rich now? $.06

    ONLY reason i posted about the build is i haven't done to much on the i5's/i7's with the new boards So wanted to make sure it was all good and going to work great. So i appreciate the ones that helped me. So i'll pass Eido's $.02 to each of you lol.


    :EDIT: I did forget to mention Eido, No he isen't doing programming and what not, But 8 gig is a nice sweet spot, I run 8g on my C2Duo Quad 9650, But it's a very nice ammount but not overboard. It's personal taste, It's like why does someone put Cold Air on there car? No real reason for it, But it's cool, Does squeak out maybe that 1mpg, but it's mostly to say oh hey look what i got.
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    Woah... You said "If there is something you'd change out that would give better performance then that with same price range then let me know please." It's kinda disconcerting to see the tone of your response when I was responding to your request, in kind.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyZ View Post
    Okay Eido.. I've bought OEM WD Drives from Newegg for 10 years now. And i wont buy nothign but a WD Drive, And i've had WONDERFUL luck and performance with the Blacks since they came out. So i wont be changing that & will pay the extra few $'s for it, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.
    About OEM drives - I buy them as well so I have no bias about OEM per se; my concern is Newegg's packaging of OEM drives. There are many, many anecdotal reports on Neweggs reviews about OEM drives coming badly packaged and arriving DOA. That's the only reason I mentioned it. You've had a good experience with it? Excellent; obviously it's your prerogative to order however works for you.

    Also, the 500GB, 32MB RAM cache, SATA 3 WD Caviar Black you linked is $70. For only $10 more you can get a 1 TB, 64MB RAM cache, SATA 6 WD Caviar Black - see the current e-mail promotion.

    Now as for Monitors, He is on a budget, He's on a old 6 year laptop with 17 inch screen, So to 20 is bigger and still nice, Good prices you posted but dont' have a CompUSA here local... Another thing like the WD Drives I wont own or build a system for a GOOD buddy of mine or even a normal Customer unless they ask for something different but use a Samsung Monitor, I've used multiple brands and Samsung to me is by far the best picture i've had. So once again, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.
    CompUSA was just an example. I also mentioned Walmart. They have a 90 day return policy. They have a 22" Samsung P2250 1920x1080 with 2ms refresh rate for $188.27 including shipping. This is only $19.27 more for a larger screen and a higher resolution with a better refresh rate.

    As for Memory, Okay I've been Building computers for others and been co-owner in this computer shop for 10 years now, So i know not to mix/match memory. So i picked a Kit of Memory that i know will be able to order another kit of it to MATCH in the system, I've done that to 100's of systems for folks that wanted to upgrade there memory. And again, Sorry but thanks for your 2 cents.
    Good to know that 2 different boxes of matched kit sets will work. I haven't worked in a shop for years so I don't have access this kind of info., so thank you.

    Last point - You might want to look at the e-mail promotion I linked above as well as Newegg's combo deals. There might be substantial savings by choosing items that have a combo deal together (like CPU + RAM, etc.).


    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death
    I agree with Sky, if he uses EVGA Percision he can overclock the card.
    If you overclock a 1GB GTX 460 card and overclock a 768 MB one to the same level, the 1GB will beat the 768 by an average of 13% at 1920x1200. The difference between the original 768MB card and the 1GB card I mentioned (albeit after rebate) is only $7. For that little more money, it seems to me worth it to get the 1 GB card instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post

    About OEM drives - I buy them as well so I have no bias about OEM per se; my concern is Newegg's packaging of OEM drives. There are many, many anecdotal reports on Neweggs reviews about OEM drives coming badly packaged and arriving DOA. That's the only reason I mentioned it. You've had a good experience with it? Excellent; obviously it's your prerogative to order however works for you.

    Thats the problem:

    1- If you believe any thing on the NewEgg reviews, I have some valuable swamp land in Florida to sell you.

    2- You read reviews and believe everything you see and post your interpretation. Sometimes it is better to make a recommendation from experience not by what "NewEgg" reviews say or just don't make one at all. All those replies on NewEgg are novices and have absolutely no credibility.

    3- Did it ever occur to you maybe NewEgg got a bad HDD and the user blames it on the packaging or may the user screwed it up and blamed NewEgg.

    I am on my 3rd OEM and no problema!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drdeath View Post
    Thats the problem:

    1- If you believe any thing on the NewEgg reviews, I have some valuable swamp land in Florida to sell you.

    2- You read reviews and believe everything you see and post your interpretation. Sometimes it is better to make a recommendation from experience not by what "NewEgg" reviews say or just don't make one at all. All those replies on NewEgg are novices and have absolutely no credibility.

    3- Did it ever occur to you maybe NewEgg got a bad HDD and the user blames it on the packaging or may the user screwed it up and blamed NewEgg.

    I am on my 3rd OEM and no problema!
    You make good points, Drdeath. I have received items from Newegg plenty of times, and they basically only use packing peanuts. Maybe in a full build like this, the drive will be fine. But, if you order the drive by itself and they throw an OEM anti-static bag with a few packing peanuts and that's it - it will have a chance of being damaged by UPS's "6-foot drop" rule, even though the drive is obviously completely powered off. I have shipped samples of product all over the world, and I know exactly what kind of packaging survives UPS's treatment. Retail boxes are nice and tight; OEM is fully exposed. That's why I only get OEM for stuff that can handle being banged around a bit or else get OEM from a store directly. Now, this is solely my experience, and I have obviously made far less computer parts purchases that some of you. So, I'll accept that I'm probably being too cautious. With that said, the points I made about examples of best "bang for the buck" are still valid.

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    Eido, Also if you read my OP all the way, The system isen't being ordered today or even tomorrow, It's being ordered in the next 3 weeks or so, So those sales are in the trashcan. And i saw the sales before i did my reply in here earlier.

    And what you pointed out to me wasen't about really making it perform better besides with you saying about the Video Cards.

    And also, $15 sounds little But when he's already going over $100 more then he's wanting and can afford, So it's making it but tough to figure out what he's wanting to finalize. Now dropping the cpu to the next lowest that skyguy posted, and drop the dvd rom yes saving money but it's just getting to the guys MAX on spending.

    Does any of that make sense? But i do appreciate you giving your 2 cents. But since i got few weeks before ordering can get a trip to wally, and do some indept searching for like the monitors. But has to do with this guy also on how he's wanting to order stuff if our local wally doesn't have any in stock.

    As for the OEM drive shipping. I've ordered just HDD's and complkete systems and i've had them all come packaged same way, in a static bag wrapped insanely by bubble wrap then in middle of a box with packing peanuts. So i'm sorry you might of had issues in past. But my luck has been good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyZ View Post
    Eido, Also if you read my OP all the way, The system isen't being ordered today or even tomorrow, It's being ordered in the next 3 weeks or so, So those sales are in the trashcan. And i saw the sales before i did my reply in here earlier.

    And also, $15 sounds little But when he's already going over $100 more then he's wanting and can afford, So it's making it but tough to figure out what he's wanting to finalize. Now dropping the cpu to the next lowest that skyguy posted, and drop the dvd rom yes saving money but it's just getting to the guys MAX on spending.
    My point is that Newegg makes these kind of sales all the time and that you can afford to get a bigger hard drive, for example, if you're saving on a combo deal. With coupons, combo deals and mail-in rebates, you can fit a lot more into his budget than it looks at first glance. Assuming the same or similar sales around in 2 to weeks, let's add up the prices (including shipping, and no tax unless you live in Cali):

    Gigabyte Motherboard - $123
    Core i5-750 - $195 (there are combo deals with motherboards that make this even cheaper)
    2x2 GB RAM - $90 (other RAM has combo deals with CPU and/or motherboard)
    Palit GTX 460 1 GB - $206 inc. shipping and after rebate
    WD Caviar Black 1 TB w/ 64MB cache - $80 after instant coupon
    DVD Writer - $26
    Case+PSU - $150. However, you can get cheaper - $126 inc. shipping for this CM 690 II Basic + 600 W silent pro.
    Samsung 22" P2250 - $188.27 + tax (~$13) = ~$202

    Inc. what I have listed is $1078 - $30 rebate = $1048

    Now, this is missing a copy of Windows 7, keyboard, mouse, microphone, speakers, possible webcam, and possible aftermarket HSF for overclocking. Are those items in the $1000 to $1100 budget? I'm sure you're aware he could also step down to a PII 940 system with a 780G motherboard for around $120 savings.


    Does any of that make sense? But i do appreciate you giving your 2 cents.
    Totally makes sense. I appreciate your response here.

    But since i got few weeks before ordering can get a trip to wally, and do some indept searching for like the monitors. But has to do with this guy also on how he's wanting to order stuff if our local wally doesn't have any in stock.
    The store doesn't need to have it in stock. You can ship direct to the store and pick it up there. Or ship to you and if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to ship it back. He can return it to any Walmart. He only has $0.97 of shipping at stake if he can live with the slower shipping option.

    As for the OEM drive shipping. I've ordered just HDD's and complkete systems and i've had them all come packaged same way, in a static bag wrapped insanely by bubble wrap then in middle of a box with packing peanuts. So i'm sorry you might of had issues in past. But my luck has been good.
    Newegg's shipping to me seems random, at least in my experience. I've had stuff "insanely wrapped"
    as well as stuff randomly thrown in with not enough packing. So I guess YMMV applies here.

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    Okay we picked the Mobo for reason because of decent board for price

    The Memory we picked for a reason, So the combo deals not working with it atm.

    Video, nothing but EVGA when it comes to Nvidia. So i will pay whatever they charge extra for there cards over anybody else for there customer service and warranty, That Palit only 2 years, EVGA LIFETIME.

    Now HDD he said he only waited a 500g, But got him talked to in future take and order a seperate drive for a spare drive for his backup stuff etc whatever. Plus for the extra money going towards the EVGA Video it took it away for what can spend on the 1T.

    As for a Case, He's always loved my Antec Cases i've personally owned. I Have a 2 900's and 2 1200's in my house atm running with full systems in them. But as previously said it's going to be few weeks, So got time to keep looking.

    I've already talked to him today about the monitor thing, It's on him not me, It'ss NOT MY money. Plus i do know once he goes to order this stuff he's going to want it all here at once and fired up.

    He already has a Keyboard / Mouse / Speakers / & OS.

    And this is nothing against anybody running AMD, But only thing i will ever buy coming from AMD anymore is a ATI Video. There CPU's went to crap with all this new stuff. But i did offer to build this guy a AMD system because i knew i would be cheaper his exact words were HELL NO. So i said ok but it will cost little more, He said thats fine, He said rather pay few extra bucks. So again it's HIS MONEY.

    Plenty of prices changing daily to even get all dead set on a price atm. in 2 weeks my orginal build could drop to 1k flat. never know, Or could goto $1200.

    But i got all my answers and what not i needed, So i appreciate whom all posted in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyZ View Post
    But i got all my answers and what not i needed, So i appreciate whom all posted in this thread.
    Freakyz - I appreciate hearing the "background thinking" in this build. It gives me a context. Success to you with this client!

    Only other comment - Phenom II "went to crap with all this new stuff"? I don't follow... it's more than plenty for the average user even someone who does plenty of multi-tasking, and unless you do SLI/x-fire is plenty for any gamer (i.e. graphics card will not be CPU bottlenecked). The CPU runs idle or at low usage the vast majority of the time... For example, PII w/ fast SSD would be more "responsive" than a i980X without a SSD for most day-to-day tasks... But hey - if it's not your cup of tea and the client said "Hell no", then that's the way the cookie crumbles. In any case, all these systems will be obsoleted for any upgrades starting next year as both AMD and Intel will be requiring new chipsets (so new motherboard, new CPU and possibly new RAM) for their next-gen systems.
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    Bottom line is you need to judge the "additional or overbudget" cost against what you're getting. Compromises may need to be made. So what's more important........better gaming card, better warranty, better stock overclock, cheaper price? Can't have it all, so something has to give.

    My $0.02 worth:

    If you like EVGA and are willing to pay the extra, then get EVGA.

    Go up to a 1680 monitor, it is indeed worth the extra. A monitor can last 3 systems, it is a VERY SMALL additional price to pay for what will last years and years, perhaps even a decade. To put it into perspective, it works out to a pizza per YEAR. AND...........a monitor is what you'll be looking at the screen ALL THE TIME. It is fundamentally critical to a system. Cheap out on the case, cheap out on a hard drive capacity, cheap out on memory, but don't cheap out on a monitor. It will outlast every single other component in that system and the next one after it.

    Everything else? Good to go. Pull the trigger, rock and roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post
    You make good points, Drdeath. I have received items from Newegg plenty of times, and they basically only use packing peanuts. Maybe in a full build like this, the drive will be fine. But, if you order the drive by itself and they throw an OEM anti-static bag with a few packing peanuts and that's it - it will have a chance of being damaged by UPS's "6-foot drop" rule, even though the drive is obviously completely powered off. I have shipped samples of product all over the world, and I know exactly what kind of packaging survives UPS's treatment. Retail boxes are nice and tight; OEM is fully exposed. That's why I only get OEM for stuff that can handle being banged around a bit or else get OEM from a store directly. Now, this is solely my experience, and I have obviously made far less computer parts purchases that some of you. So, I'll accept that I'm probably being too cautious. With that said, the points I made about examples of best "bang for the buck" are still valid.

    I do not think our opinions about how NewEgg's packaging should be debated here but if you want to start...... You said your peace and I said mine. Eido you are a smart person and most knowlegable but why do you always have to prove yourself right.

    If NewEgg packaged poorly they woud simply be out of business. Yes they use foam peanuts and package very well. I have ordered many things from them and everything was packaged GREAT and came UNDAMAGED with as did thousands and thousands of customers. Will 1 thing occasionaly be packages poorly and get damaged, YES. NewEgg simply sends a damn new one. Sheesh... The point is now moot.

    I have never seen anyone make an opinion, another make his/hers and everytime you come back to prove something....
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