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    This is my first time ever using this forum but it came recommended to me through my step-dad who has perused this site before. As the title indicates, I do plan on building my own computer. I have no skills or knowledge for this particular hobby except for what I have taught myself. I have since hit a blank wall that seems to me to be insurmountable on my own so I have decided to present myself before others who share a passion for what I am getting myself into, PC building, yet have the knowledge I lack.
    I currently only have the tower for the computer I would like to build. The tower I own is an Cooler Master HAF 932. I chose this tower because it is a full tower and allows me the wiggle room building my first computer desires. I also chose this case because of its style, the ability to customize the tower extensively and because it was on sale for 50% off. I am a bargain shopper. I have glanced around the web trying to see if others have built anything similar to what I have in my mind as my ideal computer yet I continue to come up empty handed. The next step would be, I suppose, to tell you my dearest ambition for the computer I would like to own.
    I don't know if the best idea, when trying to build a computer, is to get the tower and then pick the GPU that is most preferential to the individual. Unfortunately, if this is the not the case, it is still what I have done. The GPU in question that I have chosen is a Radeon HD 5850 1GB. (Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150494) Unfortunately, once I chose this GPU I hit the previously mentioned wall. At this point, I turn to you, my enlightened enthusiasts, with my question. "Given the tower in the example above, and adding in the factor of the GPU desired, what Motherboard/CPU would be desired?"
    I don't understand exactly what the PCI slots equal in relation to the card and other peripherals and what exactly do I need to match in regards to the CPU socket and FSB. If these are moot points please still explain to me if you have the patience so that I can still gain some learning from this process.
    My eventual goal, if the information can be eventually found, is to create this computer as a first-time computer builder and to, in my geekness, video record the whole process and explain my thoughts and feelings on why I chose to do what I did and to publish this to the internet in the hopes it helps others like myself.
    I understand as well, as I wind down this narrative, that I ask a lot and that it may be that your drowsing off after reading this, but any and all help is truly appreciated because I do love the PC as a whole and desire to become more involved in the entire process with a hands-on approach. For some, there are cars, for others, there are cards, for me, there is PC. Thank you in advance for any and all help!

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    Wall of text alert!

    Just kidding, welcome to Pure Overclock!

    What were you planning to do with your PC? Did you want to overclock? Good choice on chassis, by the way. That is a very good one, and getting it 50% off makes it even better.

    Were you partial to Intel or AMD? Do you play games? Do you edit videos? What's your budget? How often do you upgrade? Would you go down the path of 2 GPUs in the future? What's your budget? Were there other parts you had in mind already? How about the budget?

    I can't quite tell whether you're stressing, but think of building a PC to be like playing with Legos, but the legos are sensitive to static electricity and are much more expensive.

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    Publish all thew hardware you have(mouse, monitor, case, ect.....), your budget and the applications you run. Once all these are posted, educated suggestions can be made as to quad core, 6 core... ect.....

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    I believe the easiest way for me to answer the questions would be to devote a partial part to each person, but, since I don't understand how to do quotes from each question, people will have to decipher which post I am responding to, not very different from trying to decide how abstract a pre-schoolers finger paint picture truly is.

    To Logan:
    It makes me feel much better to hear that the tower was a good choice. When I bought it I still did not truly understand its size or dimensions but knew that the bigger the item the better it would be for me when it came to fully assemble my monstrosity. I would love to learn more about overclocking but I have never done that before so it is decidedly in the future of my new PC to attempt. As for AMD vs. Intel, I am partial to AMD's prices but am also partial to Intel because I know the statistics better so I feel safer with those products. I would prefer, I suppose, to use AMD because of the prices though my budget by no means, to me is cheap. The budget I have in mind is $1,000,000,000.00-1,200,000,000.00 Monopoly dollars which I believe equates to roughly $1,000-1,200 USD (sorry but I had to reference Monopoly, one of the greatest, albeit frustrating, boardgames ever made!).
    I LOVE PC gaming! So yes, I will be playing games and I will be playing them extensively. For video editing I have Vegas Pro 9 but I don't have the computer currently to utilize this powerful program so I would love for my new computer to do video editing. I don't upgrade at all because I have never had the ability to. With the new PC I will be upgrading when needed but I will be returning to these boards on that date because, unsurprisingly, I am clueless to the method. The path of the two, three or even four GPU will be trodden by this builder. I currently only had plans for buying one GPU at the start with the option to add AT LEAST one more addition GPU within the year if needed.


    The parts I have in mind are:


    RAM= G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2GBx2) Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231277) I was thinking starting with 4GB and adding another 4GB within the month. I don't know if that efficient or not so please clue me in to that.


    HDD= WD 500GB Link= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136497)


    PSU= Corsair 750W Crossfire Ready Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006) I don't know much about PSU's but this one said i7 ready. Does that mean that it will not work with an AMD? I don't think it does but owning a useless product is money wasted.


    CPU= AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 3.2Ghz Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103808) I don't know if six cores at this time is currently better than four cores but I saw some marks on the Phenom II X4 B.E. and I liked what I saw because keep in mind this is not designed to be a computer capable of NASA quality programs.


    Sound= Omega Claro Plus+7.1 Link= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E16829271003)I was thinking of going a little more high end but I admit I have ZERO knowledge of sound cards so I just picked the one that had the best ratings, which, I know, is not always the best idea.



    As for any other items like the drives or floppy or what have you, do those matter as much as the GPU, CPU etc.. or can I just buy whichever I think sounds delicious and install those?


    I definitely am a little stressed because I want it to be perfect and to be as painless as possible. At the same time though, I believe it best to gain knowledge and insight before blindly blundering into the abyss and hoping for the best (sans the sound card of course). I do understand that static electricity is the bane of PC components so I would be using a static remover (I don't remember exactly what they are called) during the installation process to protect the equipment from me. The Budget: When it comes to my budget I did state that the range was $1,000-1,200 but also understand that while I am not saying money is an issue, I do believe I may go a pinch(foot, yard, mile etc...) over the limit. So if everything is a little over the limit it's not an issue, though, if you do see I have chosen something that is great, though expensive, and I could get a similar product for less, by all means I would go with the cheaper product. I did mention in my first post that I am a bargain shopper!


    Drdeath: One of the first things I did upon visiting this site was to bookmark your "How to build a computer" as well as peruse the "How to select hardware for new build."


    Dr_Death: I don't believe he ever actually posted anything on this site but used it to reference his own thoughts and beliefs about particular PC items and such. I don't truly know when, how often or why he did/does visit the site but he told me to come here before I made any mistakes!


    Once again I have ran over my word limit I self-imposed, because given the chance, I would meander away all day typing because I love to write. Sorry for the length of this post as well as the amount of links but I do believe it is extremely important that you see what products I think may or may not be essential to this build and that you can get a feel for how I view/think about the products. Thanks again for the help!

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    You mention having 3 or 4 GPU's maybe in the future but you don't mention a motherboard will having just two GPU's in CF do? I would also suggest going to an X6 CPU rather than the X4 965. Everything else looks pretty good to me, does the 1200 include the price of the chassis or is it 1200 with out?

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    Welcome Peonage to PureOC.

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    At which resolution do you plan to play games [required info for GPU selection]?

    RAM= G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2GBx2) Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231277) I was thinking starting with 4GB and adding another 4GB within the month. I don't know if that efficient or not so please clue me in to that.
    If that is your plan, why not start with a 2x4GB kit?

    Not a bad product, but I'd get

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152185

    instead. It's bigger, and faster.

    PSU= Corsair 750W Crossfire Ready Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006) I don't know much about PSU's but this one said i7 ready. Does that mean that it will not work with an AMD? I don't think it does but owning a useless product is money wasted.
    It' just a marketing thing, like a car being "Road ready", or Hot pockets being "Microwave ready". Corsair makes solid products, good call on that one.

    CPU= AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 3.2Ghz Link=(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103808) I don't know if six cores at this time is currently better than four cores but I saw some marks on the Phenom II X4 B.E. and I liked what I saw because keep in mind this is not designed to be a computer capable of NASA quality programs.
    Go with an X6. Best value is the 1055T. Skip the sound card, use the difference to get the X6 and a good cooler to overclock it.

    Sound= Omega Claro Plus+7.1 Link= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003)I was thinking of going a little more high end but I admit I have ZERO knowledge of sound cards so I just picked the one that had the best ratings, which, I know, is not always the best idea.
    You don't need sound cards anymore - onboard is much improved over what it was 5 years ago. I'd save the money on that. It's a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    You mention having 3 or 4 GPU's maybe in the future but you don't mention a motherboard will having just two GPU's in CF do? I would also suggest going to an X6 CPU rather than the X4 965. Everything else looks pretty good to me, does the 1200 include the price of the chassis or is it 1200 with out?
    For gaming, there is not much advantage to a 6 core CPU but new games in the future may benefit from a
    6 core due to multi threading. The 1055T x 6 is only $40 more than the phenom II 965 x 4 so it is good choice like SMDuff suggested. Any 890FX motherboard works with either chip. Look to Asus or Gigabyte for a motherboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smduff View Post
    You mention having 3 or 4 GPU's maybe in the future but you don't mention a motherboard will having just two GPU's in CF do? I would also suggest going to an X6 CPU rather than the X4 965. Everything else looks pretty good to me, does the 1200 include the price of the chassis or is it 1200 with out?
    One of the many main reasons for me creating this current thread is because I desperately need help figuring out the MOBO I need. I don't understand enough about CF to know if two GPU's in CF is good because I have seen random marks around online articles and magazines (sorry for the vague non-reference) that have shown two or three GPU's that give high marks when in SLI or CF but then they will show a single card that will beat two GPU's in CF. I don't understand that which is why I tried to leave my original post vague and open for so that I can make an educated decision later. Originally it was $1,200 with the chassis but currently I want it to be $1,200 w/o the chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logan View Post
    At which resolution do you plan to play games [required info for GPU selection]?

    If that is your plan, why not start with a 2x4GB kit?

    Because I did not think it through! For some reason it never occurred to me to buy it as 2x4GB. When it comes to RAM is there an amount where the higher I go the more negligent it become to have that amount of RAM? Or, can you always just use more RAM?


    The GPU I want will go to a max resolution of 2560x1600. One of the original factors when I wanted to choose a GPU was to try and reach this resolution. I currently game at 1440x900 but would prefer to go higher when available.


    When you mention getting a X6 and a cooler to skip the sound card, do you mean a cooler for the CPU or do you mean something similar to liquid or fan cooled? If that is a stupid question my apologies. If you do mean a CPU cooler does it ever void a warranty to attach one with different board producers or do they all allow for non-stock coolers to be added. Also, does the cooler mean heatsink or are those different?

    Is 750W on this computer sounding reasonable or do I need to go higher because of my hope to expand? Or if I get a good enough GPU can I avoid my expansion for awhile and grab the extra(s) GPU('s) further down the line and grab an upgraded PSU down the road with the GPU('s) or will 750W be sufficient for more than one GPU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logan View Post

    Not a bad product, but I'd get

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152185

    instead. It's bigger, and faster.
    I like thats such a minimal increase in money to double the size while getting more speed out of it. I had a question in regards to HDD's in general. Is there a point where I should consider a SSD as well to compliment the HDD or would it be even more clever to only get SSD's and ignore the HDD's completely? MY final part to this question is are SSD's not advanced enough or just to plain expensive to even consider being apart of the computer without a HDD or to even compliment a HDD?

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    Basically, for now, 4GB is perfectly fine. You can do 2x4GB and be OK for a long while. I'd say get a single 5850 for now, and pick up another 5850 if/when you go up to another res and your current one cant take it.

    About the wattage - I'm not entirely sure. I want to say it'd be ok.

    By cooler, I meant for the CPU. Pick up a decent heatsink/fan combo for it so you can overclock it.

    By way of boards, check out Asus and Gigabyte 890FX boards on newegg. You should be able to filter them out. Their boards are among the best, and you need 890FX if you want to run crossfire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peonage View Post
    I like thats such a minimal increase in money to double the size while getting more speed out of it. I had a question in regards to HDD's in general. Is there a point where I should consider a SSD as well to compliment the HDD or would it be even more clever to only get SSD's and ignore the HDD's completely? MY final part to this question is are SSD's not advanced enough or just to plain expensive to even consider being apart of the computer without a HDD or to even compliment a HDD?
    Basically, for now, and with your budget, the SSD would complement an HDD. SSDs are quite small. You could get one for a boot drive, they are quite nice, but I'm not an SSD expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drdeath View Post
    For gaming, there is not much advantage to a 6 core CPU but new games in the future may benefit from a
    6 core due to multi threading. The 1055T x 6 is only $40 more than the phenom II 965 x 4 so it is good choice like SMDuff suggested. Any 890FX motherboard works with either chip. Look to Asus or Gigabyte for a motherboard.
    I took your advice and looked up the MOBO and you mention to look to Asus or Giga and I found this Giga MOBO (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-441-_-Product) I also found this MOBO from ASRock (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-196-_-Product) which happens to be cheaper than the Giga board. Is this due to brand name pricing or does this board not offer enough features compared to the Giga MOBO? Should I save the money in your opinion or just stick to the Giga MOBO. Do you currently own a Giga MOBO and if so how do you find the customer service and QA to be? If something were to happen to a product I buy I prefer to be able to get good, reliable and friendly service if I need it from the manufacturer. Thanks for the insight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by logan View Post
    Basically, for now, 4GB is perfectly fine. You can do 2x4GB and be OK for a long while. I'd say get a single 5850 for now, and pick up another 5850 if/when you go up to another res and your current one cant take it.

    About the wattage - I'm not entirely sure. I want to say it'd be ok.

    By cooler, I meant for the CPU. Pick up a decent heatsink/fan combo for it so you can overclock it.
    I am a little indecisive between 4GB and 8GB. My inner geek screams for the 8GB but my financial doppelgänger is trying to make me go only to 4GB. If the wattage ends up not being enough I could very easily just purchase an upgrade for the PSU. With the heatsink/fan combo don't most boards already include these particular items? If so, are they enough to cover overclocking? If not, when I purchase the additional combo will I be in danger of voiding any warranties for the CPU or the Mobo?

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