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    Default New build advice for live video workstation

    Hey folks, I'm building out a workstation which will be used for running live video shows. (eg. Amon Tobin's Isam tour and DJ Shadow's Shadow sphere)

    I've specced out the backbone, and started purchasing the main components. It has been a looong time since I did a buildout from scratch though. The last machines I built were right around when water cooling was entering the market. =) So I need some advice on the case, cooling, and otherwise.

    Here is the system:

    EVGA Classified SR-2 mobo
    Dual Intel X5690 Westmere 3.46GHz
    48GB Patriot DDR3 1333 ECC Registered Server (12 x 4G)
    Quadro 6000 SDI (with input/output capture cards)
    Tesla c2075
    Intel 710 300GB Enterprise SDD (3 GB/s) 2.5"
    Seagate Constellation 2TB Enterprise SAS (6 GB/s) 3.5"

    She's a beast. The Quadro-Tesla combination will use the new Maximus driver capability from nVidia to do custom CUDA app development.

    As you can tell, what I need to figure out now is how best to mount, cool and power the rig. Keeping in mind the following:
    1) this will be running vid for live music shows, where a crash is utter fail. hence running ECC mem and Enterprise level parts to help reliability
    2) this will be transported from venue to venue, and set up to run on stage. so lots of moving around, and any water cooling leakage or displacement is obviously utter fail
    3) will be running at outdoor festivals, so ambient temps could be high
    4) air quality in this environment is horrible, specifically from particulates in the air from fog machines and tobacco/etc smoke

    I've been reading through some of the build log posts to get ramped up. Lots of good advice on the forum which is why im posting here.

    Hope to get some good feedback. Thanks folks!

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    Default Re: New build advice for live video workstation

    I think EVGA is making a classified board for socket 2011 for Ivybridge extreme CPU's btw. None the less, Mountain mods makes a case for extreme rigs like this that look great and they accommodate multiple rads. If your spending this kind of cash, liquid cool the CPU's and GPU's with a dual rad setup. Just my humble opinion.

    With the mountain mod case, you can install multiple PSU's(2). IMO, use 2 quality min. 1000W PSU's. I would go dual 1200W.

    If you use screw clamps on barbs with the watercooling, leaks should be a non issue.



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    Default Re: New build advice for live video workstation

    One other thing that I would recommend is to contact DEMCiflex, and get them to make you some custom magnetic air filters for case. They are easily transportable, and you can just slap them on the sides of your rig during any show to help keep the dust out of your system. These are what I am using on my rig at the moment, and while they may not look as good as an internal filter, they are much easier to clean as you just pull them off and blow them out. For radiators with 120mm fans, I would actually get them over-sized instead of fit to 120mm dimensions. The reason being that I have noticed with mine that they do not cover up the screws that hold the fan / radiator assembly, thus why I am reordering mine in 140mm size instead of 120mm.

    As far as cooling goes, I would suggest waiting on Deton, out resident water cooling expert to give his opinions there. Any water cooling setup you decide to use will always be determined by the size of the case you decide to use. A mountain mods case might not be such a bad idea here. However, IMHO, I would suggest staying away from the windowed panel on their cases. The full aluminum panels can then be fitted with sound deadening material to not only keep the noise down, but this will also make the sides of the case a little more resilient to bumps. It may not add much to the structural integrity of the system, but if someone comes along and bumps the system during a show, the extra weight will help it stay in place, instead of toppling over and possibly spilling out the contents of the water cooling system.
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    Default Re: New build advice for live video workstation

    great suggestions, thanks. ive been poring over lots of info and here is my start on the power/case/cooling. would love any feedback


    CASE:
    MM Ascension case
    - HPTX mobo
    - 10PCI backpanel (the one with vertical orientation for mobo)
    - Trinity


    POWER:
    2x Thermaltake Toughpower 1350W


    WATERBLOCKS:
    EK Waterblock SR-2 full coverage mainboard and mosfet
    2x - EK Supreme HF Full Copper CPU
    2x - Bitspower Galaxy Freezer Universal RAM blocks (6 DIMMs)


    RADIATORS:
    MO-RA3 9x140mm Pro in the front
    plus eventually a triple 120 for the back?


    FANS: (not sure here haven't done a ton of research yet)
    Be Quiet - Silent Wings / Dark wings DW1
    GentleTyphoon Fans by Nidec Servo Corp
    Noiseblocker fans


    INTAKE FILTER:
    Big DEMCiflex filter over the whole 3x3 front fan array


    RESERVOIR / PUMP / HOSE / etc:
    dunno yet. any tips?




    Questions:
    1. Single or double loop?


    The MM Trinity front + a 9x140mm rad on the front looks like a killer combo with all of the surface area. Would that be sufficient to cool both Xeons, the mainboard, RAM and MOSFETs?


    If not, it looks like someone with a similar setup actually stacked two of those 9x140s right up against each other. How would that work?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMuVNS5HZSs
    (fast forward to 5:45)


    2. Triple loop once I watercool the GPUs?


    One of the hitches right now is that there aren't any waterblocks for the Quadro or Tesla. It's definitely doable though, and I'm sure there will be more options before long. Asetek has just announced a system where they are cooling both Teslas and Quadros, so its possible.


    Would a single 3x120 rad in the back of the MM case be able to handle two GPUs? (These run about the same temps as latest GTXs)


    Sorry for the long post. Thanks again for any advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by siderealtime View Post
    great suggestions, thanks. ive been poring over lots of info and here is my start on the power/case/cooling. would love any feedback


    CASE:
    MM Ascension case
    - HPTX mobo
    - 10PCI backpanel (the one with vertical orientation for mobo)
    - Trinity


    POWER:
    2x Thermaltake Toughpower 1350W


    WATERBLOCKS:
    EK Waterblock SR-2 full coverage mainboard and mosfet
    2x - EK Supreme HF Full Copper CPU
    2x - Bitspower Galaxy Freezer Universal RAM blocks (6 DIMMs)


    RADIATORS:
    MO-RA3 9x140mm Pro in the front
    plus eventually a triple 120 for the back?


    FANS: (not sure here haven't done a ton of research yet)
    Be Quiet - Silent Wings / Dark wings DW1
    GentleTyphoon Fans by Nidec Servo Corp
    Noiseblocker fans


    INTAKE FILTER:
    Big DEMCiflex filter over the whole 3x3 front fan array


    RESERVOIR / PUMP / HOSE / etc:
    dunno yet. any tips?




    Questions:
    1. Single or double loop?


    The MM Trinity front + a 9x140mm rad on the front looks like a killer combo with all of the surface area. Would that be sufficient to cool both Xeons, the mainboard, RAM and MOSFETs?


    If not, it looks like someone with a similar setup actually stacked two of those 9x140s right up against each other. How would that work?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMuVNS5HZSs
    (fast forward to 5:45)


    2. Triple loop once I watercool the GPUs?


    One of the hitches right now is that there aren't any waterblocks for the Quadro or Tesla. It's definitely doable though, and I'm sure there will be more options before long. Asetek has just announced a system where they are cooling both Teslas and Quadros, so its possible.


    Would a single 3x120 rad in the back of the MM case be able to handle two GPUs? (These run about the same temps as latest GTXs)


    Sorry for the long post. Thanks again for any advice
    Heck with the Thermaltake ToughPower. Go with Seasonic or Nexus

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    Default Re: New build advice for live video workstation

    ugh, you're totally right. the seasonic x-1250 looks like a way better option.

    i spent like all day researching power supplies and didnt see that one.

    where's the sticky thread thats like "THIS IS THE CURRENT BEST" for every category. =) save me so much time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by siderealtime View Post
    ugh, you're totally right. the seasonic x-1250 looks like a way better option.

    i spent like all day researching power supplies and didnt see that one.

    where's the sticky thread thats like "THIS IS THE CURRENT BEST" for every category. =) save me so much time..
    Seasonic makes top notch PSU's and better than Thermaltake although TT makes descent PSU's.

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    yea that particular thermaltake got really good reviews on hardocp and some others. pretty good 12v regulation

    but jeez the seasonic 1000w platinum voltage regulation killed it!

    can't decide if two of the 1000w platinums or two of the higher watt but lower efficiency 1250s is the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by siderealtime View Post
    yea that particular thermaltake got really good reviews on hardocp and some others. pretty good 12v regulation

    but jeez the seasonic 1000w platinum voltage regulation killed it!

    can't decide if two of the 1000w platinums or two of the higher watt but lower efficiency 1250s is the way to go
    Check out Jakes review on the Enermax Platimax 1200W

    http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1423&page=7

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    It isn't always highest watt, check the amps on the rails.

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    The Seasonic has 1 x 83 amp rail and the Toughpower has 2 x 60 amp rails. I prefer 1 beefy rail but 2 x 60 amp rails is pretty Impressive.


    The Enemrmax has 6 x 30 AMp Rails. I would lean more toward the seasonic or Thermaltake.

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    yea i looked REALLY closely at both that Enermax and the MaxRevo 1350W, but they both seemed slightly inferior to the therma.

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    TT will do ya good. Nothing wrong with it at all.

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