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    I'm looking at putting about $2500 into an overclock(able) build that will hold up for the next few years through upgrades (mostly doubling-up components, but also switching to 45nm depending on price - of course, the mobo might change then, too, for DDR3 and the new chipset).

    Here's what I have lined up, at the moment.

    Case: RC-832 - $206
    CPU Fans: 2 x TD9238H @ $11 = $22
    Fans: 9 x Delta FFB1224EHE @ $7 = $63
    GPU Fans: HR-03 Plus - $50
    Hard Drive: WD1500AHFD - $185
    Heatsink: CL-P0024 - $33
    Keyboard: Razer Tarantula - $45
    Motherboard: 122-CK-NF68-A1 - $210
    Mouse: Razer DeathAdder - $44
    Power Supply: T1KWSR - $410
    Processor: HH80557PJ0804MG - $246
    RAM: TX1200QLJ-2GK - $160
    Speakers: 970118-0403 - $79
    Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 - $3
    Video Card: 768-P2-N887-AR - $730
    Total: $2486

    Let me know what you think, and if you know of any specific problems with the parts I've picked, or suggestions for alternative parts.

    Thanks in advance!
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    even i don't know what half those parts are, they are just serial numbers, best edit the post to use normal product names so we know what you're talking about here.

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    yes names would help, alot
    What?

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    I looked up the codes and this is what I got.


    Case: Coolermaster Stacker
    CPU Fans: Vantec Tornado 119CFM 90M
    Fans: 9x 60mm Delta fans
    GPU Fans: Thermalright HR-03 Plus
    Hard Drive: Western Digital 10000RPM 150GB Raptor
    Heatsink: Thermaltake Copper Heatsink
    Keyboard: Razer Tarantula
    Motherboard: EVGA S775 Motherboard
    Mouse: Razer DeathAdder
    Power Supply: Turbo-Cool 1TW PSU
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
    RAM: Transcend 2GB Kit DDR2 1200
    Speakers: Logitech Z-2300
    Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5
    Video Card: EVGA 8800Ultra

    Hope this helps.

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    Yeah, sorry about that. I tend to keep my lists as tech numbers instead of names because it makes it easier to pull up specs on them with Google and the like.

    Case: Cooler Master Stacker 832- $206
    CPU Fans: 2 x Vantec Tornados 92mm @ $11 = $22
    Fans: 9 x Delta 120mm's @ $7 = $63
    GPU Fans: Thermalright HR-03 Plus - $50
    Hard Drive: Western Digital Raptor X - $185
    Heatsink: Thermaltake Tower 112 - $33
    Keyboard: Razer Tarantula - $45
    Motherboard: eVGA nForce 680i SLI 775 A1 - $210
    Mouse: Razer DeathAdder - $44
    Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling 1KW - $410
    Processor: E6850 (Processor only) - $246
    RAM: Transcend axeRAM DDR2-1200 2 x 1GB Kit - $160
    Speakers: Logitech Z-2300 2.1 - $79
    Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 - $3
    Video Card: eVGA 8800 Ultra - $730
    Total: $2486
    Hope that helps some. Again, let me know what you think.
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    looks good to me, but are you planning on getting another 8800 Ultra?
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    Yeah, down the road. That's why i went with the nice, big Stacker 832 case and the PC P&C 1KW.

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    i'd certainly change a few things there if it was my build.

    1) from the get go buy two 8800 GT's for SLI, forget the Ultra, it's overpriced.

    2) no real need for that PSU, so if you want to save a lot of money, grab a seasonic 700W - it will be more than enough for any rig.

    3) an energy efficient Q6600 is a much better buy over the E6850 - 4 cores instead of two. It may be slower at stock, but once overclocked it makes the E6850 seem pointless.

    4) AS5. You could try MX1 or MX2 from arctic cooling, it's meant to be superior to AS5 by 3-4 degrees.

    5) a personal prefrerence, but i'd go for some low noise fans, like some sharkoons or Scythe S-Flex

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    Jameson: You're the first that's suggested I go with an SLI build that low (I've heard "don't bother with Ultra's, go GTX's," but not all the way down to GT's). Most pointed out that one Ultra (overclocked on that nice new memory) is as good or better as SLI *most anything else*, and it leaves me an upgrade path to SLI Ultras.

    There are a couple issues I've been having with PSU decisions that maybe you guys can help me clear up. First off, I want a single rail - it's just better (part of why I picked PC P&C - they've pretty much perfected it). But I also want *at least* 2 x 8 pin PCI-E, and 2.0 adaptability would mean I don't have to upgrade my PSU again for awhile. So any suggestions along those lines would great!

    I actually just talked about the Q6600 G0 vs. E6850 with a friend on another board. The guy cited an Xbit article (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...d-q6600_6.html), to which I pointed out: "My main concern is front side bus. As that Xbit article you posted points out, the quad uses lower FSB (since it's got more cores) - on a native 1333FSB board, with plenty of cooling, the E6850 is likely to go higher than that 28.5% they managed. Not to mention the fact that the quad is a minimum of $30 or so more expensive, no matter where you look (average of $275 vs. $245). It's not much, but if my hypothesis on the 6850 FSB mentioned above holds true, there's no reason to pay more."

    Not to mention the fact that the E6850 you can up the *multiplier*, whereas the Q6600 can only be reduced while having the FSB upped. Either way, I'm probably going to wait and at least *see* the Penryn price points.

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    the Ultra is too expensive for little performace over a GTX, and actually, a GT. here's a good example: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=12

    If you really don't want to go for SLI, don't get an Ultra, get a GTX and save yourself some money.

    as for the PSU, there is no need to go for a single rail PSU, don't worry about that. Seasonic make stunning power supplies, and there 700W M12 will do the job, so why pay more? It really is a waste.

    Regarding the CPU, 4 cores for $30 more is a good deal in my book. More and more games and appz will be mutlithreaded this year, it's the first year we are really seeing this happen, so to buy a dual core now which is almost the same price as a quad is a poor decision.

    FSB means nothing to me when you can overclock, as does unlocked multi's going up. If you are lucky, expect 3.5GHz from that quad core (380x9).

    I have an X6800, no real difference to an E6850, and i would love a quad core right now, and that's where i'll be heading soon. (Penryn)
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    This is the power supply I am ordering. has everything you're looking for minus the 1KW. and is only $170 usd
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011
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    sounds like a much better option, do you know how noisy it is?

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    Sorry no, I haven't recieved mine yet and none of the reviewers said wether it was or was not noisey.
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    Jameson: But do you have any comparisons of the Ultra vs. GTX, especially when the two are overclocked? GTX's can overclock to Ultra stock, sure, but the new memory on the Ultra's are supposed to overclock really well. Give me something that proves the Ultra just isn't worth it and I'll give in - promise. As for not needing a single rail - "need" and "good" are different. Single rails (especially PC P&C) are *extremely* stable. As for the CPU, FSB *does* matter when you overlock. It's useless to have more commands without it actually getting through the mobo architecture to where it needs to be. The data transfer rate on that quad is a much more limiting factor. It can hit 3.5-3.6, with a lower FSB, while the dual can hit 3.75-3.85 with a (much) higher FSB. More commands AND faster transfer, for $30 less. And most of the multi-threaded apps are coming up to dual, from single, not all the way up to quad.

    Sigil: Close, but not quite. I've looked at the Silencers and the Turbo-Cools. The main difference, other than sheer wattage, is the connectors. Both have dual 6-pin video connectors, and NO 8-pin. That's really the only thing that kept me from grabbing one of them instead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarComm View Post
    Jameson: But do you have any comparisons of the Ultra vs. GTX, especially when the two are overclocked? GTX's can overclock to Ultra stock, sure, but the new memory on the Ultra's are supposed to overclock really well. Give me something that proves the Ultra just isn't worth it and I'll give in - promise. As for not needing a single rail - "need" and "good" are different. Single rails (especially PC P&C) are *extremely* stable. As for the CPU, FSB *does* matter when you overlock. It's useless to have more commands without it actually getting through the mobo architecture to where it needs to be. The data transfer rate on that quad is a much more limiting factor. It can hit 3.5-3.6, with a lower FSB, while the dual can hit 3.75-3.85 with a (much) higher FSB. More commands AND faster transfer, for $30 less. And most of the multi-threaded apps are coming up to dual, from single, not all the way up to quad.

    Sigil: Close, but not quite. I've looked at the Silencers and the Turbo-Cools. The main difference, other than sheer wattage, is the connectors. Both have dual 6-pin video connectors, and NO 8-pin. That's really the only thing that kept me from grabbing one of them instead...
    All I can say is look at the specs for this one.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341011
    That quad means two 6 pin and two 8pin. I couldn't see them in that sorry picture but the specs and reviews confirm it
    PCI-E Connectorsdocument.write(neg_specification_newline ('2 x 6Pin
    2 x 6/8Pin'));2 x 6Pin
    2 x 6/8Pin
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    Ahh, you're right! The CrossFire edition was the only edition to add that. But it's not SLI certified, as opposed to what that Newegg page shows.

    Edit: Note, I didn't go off Newegg at all to determine connector types/counts - that's a world of (possible) trouble you don't want to get in to. Use the PC P&C website - they made it, they know. In this case, like I said, the CrossFire edition is the only version that has 8-pin. But, also as I pointed out, Newegg has it mislabled as being SLI certified.
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