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    Default 1st Build Complete Noob - Advice/Help Appreciated

    Background:
    Xbox One & PS4 launched with their amazing new games, graphics, etc. I have an old PS3 which is one of those big bricks, got it when it first came out. Just got my little cousin a PS3 as they were cheaper then the 4's and it looked much nicer, was faster and had more space than my brick which I need to delete games every-time I get a new one. So now there is the question of if I should get one now or wait a couple of months, either for the holiday sale on November, or another year for them to really upgrade, or even 4 more years? At the house I have a Super-Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Game-Cube, PlayStation 1, Xbox, PlayStation 3. If I get a PS4 or Xbox One, then I will not be able to play my old games and have a bunch of systems and wires all trying to connect to one T.V. So I decided to go to the local Best Buy to check both of them out and see how the matched up. Loved Titan Fall, Rome, and Forza on Xbox One. But is the $400.00+ price tag worth the buy? Or should I wait. While trying to figure all this out I somehow ended up at the PC Games section where there were a couple of games, not as many as the platforms, but they did have Titan Fall, Call of Duty, & Watch Dogs. Asked a associate there to help me out and understand how this games work, which she did and also referred me to Steam.

    After check out steam I got addicted to this and was about to buy an game. But then I decided to see if my laptop qualified to run the game. After a test on "Can I Run It" it came back failed. Starting browsing the net again and found out the most tricked out desktops - 3 to 6 monitor configurations with minimum bezels, and unlimited amount of games.

    The fact that I do not have to wish for Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, or any other platform to tell me when to buy, what to buy, and after that I am stuck with that and would have to buy again is a big relief!! I started looking through some computers and instead of a pre-build I preferred I make one myself.

    Need Help:
    I know I am completely new at this, so if something is out there better for the price then please let me know, or if I have something wrong let me know also.

    Use - Hardcore Gaming
    Budget - $2,000 ($200.00 a month)
    Time Frame - 10 Months (Completed by April 2015)
    Need something with "Amazing Graphics"
    5-6 monitors - Do not mind 5 monitors all Vertical
    Full Tower Desktop with the capability of adding future upgrades
    Only thing that will be permanent is the Tower

    If I wait until I have the $2000 total then I will not be able to buy the machine and will end up spending it somewhere else. Wife baby and responsibilities as such. Need to do something for myself.

    Here are some things I have looked at to purchase (in-order) Please advise if something is better for price range

    CM Storm Stryker - $163.95

    VisionTek Products AMD RADEON HD7870 Eyefinity 6 ED Graphic Card 900548 - $369.99

    I still need to search for the power, mobo, cooler, cpu, etc. Let me know - any suggestions/advice is welcome.




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    Default Re: 1st Build Complete Noob - Advice/Help Appreciated

    Welcome to PureOC! We will be happy to offer some ideas into your future project.

    First thing I can see is with a budget of 2000 and the dream of having 5-6 monitors are clashing. Even if you bought those monitors used it would eat over half your budget. Maybe scale back and start with 3 then upgrade as you go along.

    I also dont think that GPU you selected will be worth a damn when it comes to running modern games. Even more so when talking about 5-6 monitors. It simple can not handle Titanfall, Watchdogs ect with the 2GB frame buffer and an aging GPU core. it would work for older games and autocad.

    Newer GPUs are struggling with some of the games you listed so you need to plan carefully. If the GPU doesn't have at least 3GB of vram skip it. Look into the R9-280x models. 3gb with support up to 5 monitors without using any special adapter. I'm not directing you towards an Nvidia solution due to Nvidia not putting 3GB on most of their offerings. Go to Newegg and filter Nvida and 3GB and you will see what I mean. either the older 660 or a $500 780.

    right now I would suggest an Intel Z97 based board with no less then an i5 quad cpu. 4760k is one of the more popular options. no less then 8GB of 2133. Some say 1866 but why not spend a few more $ and get something better. 240Gb SSD for a Boot drive and 2TB HDD for game space. 3TB if you can get it. 800-1000w PSU for future upgrades like dual GPUs. look into close loop CPU coolers (AIO)

    The White Stryker is cheaper on Newegg. 134.99 (119 after MIR)
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    Thanks CyperBurnout!

    So I am now looking at this GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD REV2.0 GeForce GTX 760 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card

    For 6 monitors, will I need just this one or another card as well? Getting two of this will run be down to $1400.00 (Monitors will be separate from this budget) not including taxes.

    Also because I'm trying to build this over time and want to start somewhere, what would be the first item I will need to buy?

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    Default Re: 1st Build Complete Noob - Advice/Help Appreciated

    Quote Originally Posted by ali500mph View Post
    Thanks CyperBurnout!

    So I am now looking at this GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD REV2.0 GeForce GTX 760 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card

    For 6 monitors, will I need just this one or another card as well? Getting two of this will run be down to $1400.00 (Monitors will be separate from this budget) not including taxes.

    Also because I'm trying to build this over time and want to start somewhere, what would be the first item I will need to buy?

    Oh heck, if this is just the rig budget then its happy fun time!!

    Strike the I5 and go to i7-4770k Still go with an AIO. Kraken x60(soon the x61) or a monster air cooler from Noctua or Phanteks.

    What to get first? Power Supply-> Memory-> Case-> CPU-> Boards-> GPU

    This is the order or least likely to make a dramatic advances or change in price. Powers supply don't advance much. prices don't change much. So you can get it know and not worry about something new coming out that you will try and get instead. On the other end of the spectrum, GPU tech changes every 6 months (refresh), and big changes once a year. Prices fluctuate a lot. So wait as long as you can so prices can drop as you get further away from first release date and closer to a new product launch date. This will lso save you from the "Damnit I bought that at $300! Now it is $150!' rant.
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    Thanks Again for the quick reply! OK, so this month's mission is to buy a power supply first. This is what I have been looking at. Let me know if I should look elsewhere or another product. Or if I would need more Watts.

    Rosewill RBR1000-M 1000-Watt Bronze Series 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel Core i7 and i5


    http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RBR10...921260&sr=1-18

    Edit from last note:

    Never-mind on Amazon. Newegg has better pricing.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182188
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    That is a good PSU.

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    This is what I have come up with as a wish list:

    Click Here to view selected parts.

    Will take you to "pcpartpicker" and it helped me pick parts that will work with one another.

    Let me know if anything needs to be changed.

    Now this will be my first build, but I wish the get the best out of graphics trying to play Titanfall - Watch Dogs, Etc.
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    I am not going to argue with any of those choices except for maybe the ssd. For the rest, you may do better with other choices but one has to draw the line somewhere and I don't envisage any issues coming about through these choices.

    As for the ssd, I am going to suggest you consider going to the next size up ie 256GB or thereabouts. The reason for this is that with an OS drive with a few games on it too you would do well to not exceed 75% full if you want to retain good performance and fast recovery from heavy use. SSD's are an area that is evolving fast so for a long term build like this it may pay to wait until near completion before purchasing but even if you bought now, some top of the line ssd's will still be up there for a while. Taking on board the results of testing by a site that I trust and that seems to understand that it is the in use numbers that are useful to us enthusiasts rather that the performance of a drive that is brand new with nothing on it I am going to suggest that you consider the following makes/models:

    Sandisk Extreme 2
    Toshiba Q series Pro
    OCZ Vertex 460
    OCZ Vector 150

    From a performance viewpoint these all perform consistently under all levels of load (which in my book is the most important metric) but from a warranty viewpoint the Sandisk and the Toshiba are much higher rated @ in the order of 70-80 TB of lifetime writes vs 22TB for the OCZ.
    You can pay more and get much higher still life expectancies but for gaming there is not really any need. You can get drives that are a bit faster..... but not so much when under load.

    Happy to talk about any of those other drives out there... I may even have good info on them and thus be able to discuss the pro's and cons but the bottom line is there is a vast difference in both price and performance of ssd's out there and in general you get what you pay for.

    Edit: I just thought....... this is an X79 build.... X79 will run quad channel ram so using all 4 slots will improve performance. the sabertooth has 8 dimm slots too.... Personally I would be looking at G-Skill RipjawZ or TridentX in 4 stick kits if the money allowed.

    One last comment.... If you stick to foundation purchases to start with (case psu etc) we may know more about the next gen cpu's and chipsets to see if it is worthwhile waiting and building on a ddr4 platform
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    Thanks "Grumpydaddy"!

    I updated the list. Upgraded the SSD to the scandisk extreme 2, took out the sound card out the picture for now (it can wait for later), also DDR4 should come out 3rd quarter? I will wait to purchase those then depending on the price, or maybe DDR3 will drop significantly ? Let me know if the other parts work as well. Cyberburnout, and rchar081 (pcpartpicker) has been a great help as well! I'm just updating my list until it is perfect for the budget. I will be buying one thing at a time so by the time i'm on the next one either the price will drop or the next best thing will be out. As long as I can get the best experience out of this i'm happy!

    Intel Core i7-4820K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Combo or $269.99

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    Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Combo or $329.99

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    Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer $14.98

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    So that I am sure that you understand I will add that using ddr4 will entail choosing a different motherboard and cpu too

    Keep an eye on information relating to X99 Motherboards later this year.
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    Grump was referring to waiting for the X99 platform. Basically you will have to change board, CPU and the memory (to ddr4).

    Z97 does not support DDR4. Booooo Intel! Going to make consumers do major upgrades again to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Grump was referring to waiting for the X99 platform. Basically you will have to change board, CPU and the memory (to ddr4).

    Z97 does not support DDR4. Booooo Intel! Going to make consumers do major upgrades again to use.
    Sandy.That is so true.There will be a flood of used hardware.

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    .....and after we sit down and do all the research to decide on what, for example ssd, is best for our needs, we hear news from Computex that there is to be a new version called the Pro(?) that ships with a 10 year limited guarantee.

    If you take into consideration the current lifetime total writes that are on average 70-80TB in an up to 5 year period across most of the consumer ssd's one wonders what this new benchmark will be.

    This industry innovates so fast that 6 months on everything you own will be out of date. BUT Whilst it may no longer be at the cutting edge it will still get the job done..... and likely for some years to come.

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    Thanks All! So going from this (Power Supply-> Memory-> Case-> CPU-> Boards-> GPU) would it be safe to say I should go ahead and buy the chosen power supply & case for now?

    Also taking in consideration the DDR4, x99 mobo, & cpu to possible 6 core or 8 core, I'm guessing the prices will drop significantly on the high end stuff now available? Also those should be good for another 3 to four years without requiring any major updates? But if the price permits I can, and will purchase the newer DDR4 along with the mobo and cpu once it comes out.

    Also with this should I go ahead and purchase the GPU in mind after the PSU and Case or wait for that as well?



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