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    Default To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Hi fellas,
    I need your opinion (Pros / Cons), on this question...Should I change (upgrade) my current rig (in my signature), to one High End x99 (i7 5960x + RVE + 2x GTX980 + DDR4 RAM (32GB or 64GB ), or should I wait couple of years.

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Hi fellas,
    I need your opinion (Pros / Cons), on this question...Should I change (upgrade) my current rig (in my signature), to one High End x99 (i7 5960x + RVE + 2x GTX980 + DDR4 RAM (32GB or 64GB ), or should I wait couple of years.
    Well, there's a loaded question.

    Frankly, unless your workload demands it...No.

    Having said that, you're looking at a CPU that is 2 Generations Improved, and has 2 More cores and 4 more threads, as well as a 17GB/s memory bandwidth improvement. On top of that, it supports PCIE-3, DDR-4, and draws 10 Less Watts TDP.

    Motherboards have improved configurations, with more USB3, SATA 6GBps, better PCI-E lane usage, although SATA Express, NVM, NGFF, and what have you are still shaking out for nextgen SSD's. The 980's are generally faster and use almost 35% less power than the 780's.

    On the other hand, benchmarks are going to get better, but not dramatically so. Power draw at the wall socket is going to drop pretty substantially (even overclocked), but savings there will never pay for the upgrade.

    Changes on the horizon? I can't seen anything life changing coming down the pipeline at the top end of the market. We should see a shakeup in SSD interfaces and with any luck, SSD pricing before long. USB 3.1 is making its appearance on High End boards, so you should be good there as long as you keep that in mind.

    Pricing? Well, DDR4 should come down over time, but probably not much this year, as the Z97 doesn't support it (which is the bigger part of the market), so until the Z97 sequel hits the market, I expect DDR4 pricing will remain like it is. Video card pricing? That's a tough one. Is the Red Team going to be competetive on TDP and Performance together any time soon???? I dunno.

    If you're going to make the leap, now would seem like as good a time as any, I can't see any real benefit to waiting in terms of new tech, but as usual my crystal ball is a little cloudy on that front.

    I know, not a great answer, but really it comes down to how much you WANT to upgrade, as there is simply no single compelling reason (not knowing your system workload) to upgrade, even though on aggregate, it would be a performance boost across the board.

    Final Factor: A quick browse through PCPartpicker, yields a price of around $3600 US for your upgrade (CPU, Asus RAMPAGE V, 64GB GSKILL DDR4 RAM, and a pair of EVGA GTX980s Intel Core i7-5960X, EVGA GeForce GTX 980 (2-Way SLI) - System Build - PCPartPicker). I'm sure you can make that number run up and down a fair range, but that's kind of the root cost.

    Best of Luck!

    My .02 of course.

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Our Man Gu3 seemed to have covered all the factual basis. THE drawback of waiting is something new will catch your eye every week. GU3 pointed out the most important factor, "Frankly, unless your workload demands it...No." If you are going to drop $3000 on upgrades I would hope you would actually be able to tell you upgraded. Will the games you play most get any better? Will any work you do get done noticeably faster? Will you be shipping me all of you old parts?
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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    ...Will the games you play most get any better? Will any work you do get done noticeably faster? Will you be shipping me all of you old parts?
    As answer to your 3 questions I can only say: NO, NO and NO... (this goes to the last one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Well, there's a loaded question.

    Frankly, unless your workload demands it...No.

    Having said that, you're looking at a CPU that is 2 Generations Improved, and has 2 More cores and 4 more threads, as well as a 17GB/s memory bandwidth improvement. On top of that, it supports PCIE-3, DDR-4, and draws 10 Less Watts TDP.

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    On the other hand, benchmarks are going to get better, but not dramatically so. Power draw at the wall socket is going to drop pretty substantially (even overclocked), but savings there will never pay for the upgrade.

    Changes on the horizon? I can't seen anything life changing coming down the pipeline at the top end of the market. We should see a shakeup in SSD interfaces and with any luck, SSD pricing before long. USB 3.1 is making its appearance on High End boards, so you should be good there as long as you keep that in mind.

    Pricing? Well, DDR4 should come down over time, but probably not much this year, as the Z97 doesn't support it (which is the bigger part of the market), so until the Z97 sequel hits the market, I expect DDR4 pricing will remain like it is. Video card pricing? That's a tough one. Is the Red Team going to be competetive on TDP and Performance together any time soon???? I dunno.

    If you're going to make the leap, now would seem like as good a time as any, I can't see any real benefit to waiting in terms of new tech, but as usual my crystal ball is a little cloudy on that front.

    I know, not a great answer, but really it comes down to how much you WANT to upgrade, as there is simply no single compelling reason (not knowing your system workload) to upgrade, even though on aggregate, it would be a performance boost across the board.

    Final Factor: A quick browse through PCPartpicker, yields a price of around $3600 US for your upgrade (CPU, Asus RAMPAGE V, 64GB GSKILL DDR4 RAM, and a pair of EVGA GTX980s Intel Core i7-5960X, EVGA GeForce GTX 980 (2-Way SLI) - System Build - PCPartPicker). I'm sure you can make that number run up and down a fair range, but that's kind of the root cost.

    Best of Luck!

    My .02 of course.

    S.
    Thanks Gu3, you pointed well and I aware of all Pros and Cons.

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    Instead to spend 5000 bucks (with shipping to Peru and taxes included), on this upgrade, I'm gonna buy gold necklace to my wife for our 25 years anniversary (this September).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Instead to spend 5000 bucks (with shipping to Peru and taxes included), on this upgrade, I'm gonna buy gold necklace to my wife for our 25 years anniversary (this September).
    No doubt a great choice! I'd probably make the same one...<grin>. I am a _little_ disappointed though, watching you build this upgrade would have been about as close as I'll ever get to a high end machine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    No doubt a great choice! I'd probably make the same one...<grin>. I am a _little_ disappointed though, watching you build this upgrade would have been about as close as I'll ever get to a high end machine!

    S.
    I already have my dream RIG, its one beast actually, and I ordered some additions to make it better (new Rads, compression fittings, reservoirs, fans, ect...). My question was oriented more to have something best of the best, but following the everyday faster advances and progresses in the PC world, Im aware that will never have the best of the best...

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    It certainly is a beast. I'm a bit envious actually. <grin>.

    You're right about "best of the best"! Although DarkMatter was an exception for me, in that it was a "New Build", generally I simply continuously upgrade. I know I'll never spend the money to achieve "Best of the Best", I'm just happy to be "The Best in My damned house!" And that's just so I can keep my 15 year old boy in his place.

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    ... I'm just happy to be "The Best in My damned house!" And that's just so I can keep my 15 year old boy in his place.

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Well.... I was going to post but then I read GU's post and said nevermind! Lolz..

    He covered everything pretty well with pros and cons. Well thought-out post Scott.
    But I'll add in a bit of my 2 cent and personal experience between the 2 systems I have.
    IMO, If I didn't have to buy the chip for reviews, I probably would have been fine with my X79 rig.

    After using my X99 system for a few months now and comparing it to my X79 rig, the only different I see is compute time in rendering, while my X79 is only running a 4820K quad vs a 5930k (6 core), that is where the major different is. Since you are running a 3970x, I don't think you will benefit from it much unless you plan on taking advantage of some of the newer features like M.2 SATA and DDR4 memory. Both my systems are running 32GB of memory and frankly, they feel the same with the type of work I do.

    If you look at my specs, both my X79 and X99 rigs are pretty similar. With the same amount of memory, running SSD's and even both systems using SLI 780s, So with a side by side comparison on my systems. I don't think there is a need to upgrade unless you need the extra horse power for the type of work you do.

    In my case, rendering 1500+ photos in LR after a wedding shoot didn't really require it, but the extra cores did help in render time but not the actual work load.

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    [QUOTE=Solara2xb;204476 I don't think there is a need to upgrade unless you need the extra horse power for the type of work you do.

    In my case, rendering 1500+ photos in LR after a wedding shoot didn't really require it, but the extra cores did help in render time but not the actual work load.[/QUOTE]

    You hit on the only reason I'd consider an upgrade of this cost with reference to his already fantastic system (And Cyber hit on it too!). I've considered it solely from the POV of Handbrake processing times. Handbrake is the only program I use that can actually USE all 8 Cores and 16 threads of that monster Extreme processor.

    Having said that, given the Handbrake workload, I'd probably just go for a E5-2687W V3 3.1GHz 10-Core Processor. 10 Cores, 20 Threads. Woot! Of course, at this point, money would have to be no object, because the CPU alone is >$2K. But @ 160 Watts, you'd definitely have a reason to WC that thing! I mean it's not like we USE that silly Intel on board graphics core. Why not just ditch it?

    Now, if I could SOMEHOW justify that....LOL

    S.

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    Thank all of you guys @Gu3, @Cyberburnout and @Solara2xb, and like Solara, I too do not have enough time for my PC, especially now when I'm in a new project in Chile (Hydroelectric), which will last approximately two years. Maybe I'll move to live here for the next two years (until the end of the project), with occasional trips to Peru (where I currently reside and where my PC is).
    For all above said and your tips Ill no go for any update, and thanks again for getting me off this crazy idea in my head (my wife will be happy getting the necklace for our anniversary )

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    What IS the workload currently? How will you be served, computer wise, in Chile? I agree with the others here on the "no need" and you will score a heap of points with the necklace
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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    Personally, I would say wait as well because of what HBM is looking to do in the next couple of years. If it revolutionizes the R9 390x, we might very well see HBM ram, HBM L3 Caches in CPUs and of course the graphics cards having them. There are some ifs involved but it could make DDR4 look like chump change in the near future.

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    Default Re: To change (upgrade), or not to change...That is the question

    sure
    if you have 4-5 k to throw into another machine, and your not gunna be hurtin because of it?
    go 4 it

    if you dont have a reall need, and your now cashflow McGee
    then dude, that beast in your sig is rather rediculasly nice
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