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    Default Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Ok guys, I'm trying to figure out how I want to upgrade. The DirectX 12 benchmarks are showing that even with all those cores, and i3 still outperforms and 8370 in gaming. That's sad and shows that bulldozer architecture was a bad decision from day one, at least for gaming.

    Anyways, I know Skylake will offer great gaming performance, but I found out that the Broadwell chips, because they used eDram in their cache, can still out perform Skylake for gaming. I don't know if this is just for the integrated graphics, or with dedicated GPUs. I'm only interested in the latter. Also, Zen will be nice, but I'm not sure if I'm confident in the more cores philosophy AMD tends to have with gaming any more, even with Dx12.

    So what's your opinions based on the info you've been collecting? Skylake is great, but will it be getting an eDram upgrade in the next 6 months or so? Will Zen offer great Dx12 performance? Or is Skylake so worth the upgrade now that I won't be kicking myself next year when all the new stuff happens? I have an 8350 so I have a lot to gain, but at the same time, none of my current games have any issues running smoothly so, let me know what your opinions are.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    For what it's worth, in my opinion, Skylake is worth it more for the Z170 chipset than for the new CPU's. Don't get me wrong, the Skylake is great, and will likely only get better, but the Z170 chipset is worth the upgrade over Z87/Z97 for no other reason than the increased PCI-E lanes for Solid State Storage.

    I'm planning on upgrading from my Z87 and i7 to a Z170 and an i7 by the end of the year.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    As Scott put it, the only reason most find it viable to upgrade to Skylake from lets say Haswell is if they needed the PCIe lanes on the Z170 boards.
    If I had to base it performance, Haswell/Devils Canyon and Skylake are pretty neck and neck if you can't take advantage of the new chipset features.

    But if you are jumping from AMD to Intel, then anything above Haswell will give you performance gains if you didn't need all the fancy bells and whistles.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    I think I got the answer I was looking for here.

    Intel Broadwell-E Scheduled For Launch in Q1 2016 - Will Feature 8 and 6 Core SKUs, Retaining Support on X99 Platform

    Looks like eDram isn't coming to Skylake until 2017. This makes me want to wait and see how Zen does before making any purchasing decisions like that.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    I think I got the answer I was looking for here.

    Intel Broadwell-E Scheduled For Launch in Q1 2016 - Will Feature 8 and 6 Core SKUs, Retaining Support on X99 Platform

    Looks like eDram isn't coming to Skylake until 2017. This makes me want to wait and see how Zen does before making any purchasing decisions like that.
    Josh, if you have no issue with your games (quote "none of my current games have any issues running smoothly..."), then I suggest you to wait Skylake E or Zen.

    Always look beyond the limits...

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Josh, if you have no issue with your games (quote "none of my current games have any issues running smoothly..."), then I suggest you to wait Skylake E or Zen.
    Sounds like plan. Thanks for the conformation.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    Sounds like plan. Thanks for the conformation.
    No problem, glad could help (along with the other guys), to solve your doubts.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Skylake offers something else besides the extra PCI-E lanes. You can tweak your OC in ways that have been locked down by Intel for years.

    I'm eager to try it out, so I'm gonna get one.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    I just found out that Zen looks like it's been pushed back to end of 2016, which is right around the time Kaby Lake(?) comes out. Man, it's hard to wait that long though, especially since I'm on the 8350 and have been on it for about 3 years now.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Funny you should mention the OC potential Neil. I was reading about that in CPU this morning. I'm headed to Microcenter this weekend to pick up my 6600K for $229 and get a $20 combo discount on a motherboard. Sadly, the MSI Mortar doesn't appear to be available yet, so I'll probably end up the the Asrock Z170-Pro4S or a Gigabyte Z170M-D3H. They also sell the Maximus Gene VIII or VII or whatever the heck it is, but I think it's $229, and the others are around $100.

    I really need a Windows box right now, or I'd wait a month and get the MSI. Grrr.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Josh,
    before you decide to go or not for i7 6700K or i7 4790K check these comparison tests first:
    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...-i7-6700K-641/
    Intel Core i7 6700K vs 4790K
    Looking at those results and the price too (CPU+mobo+RAM), my choice would be i7 4790k.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Josh,
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    Looking at those results and the price too (CPU+mobo+RAM), my choice would be i7 4790k.
    And...I'd still take the Skylake. DDR4, More PCI-E Lanes, better potential overclocking, USB 3.1, and probably at least a generation or two of upcoming i3/i5/i7 chips in that socket to look forward to. And to be honest, unless he's using ALL 8 threads a lot, the i5 6600K is a good choice rather than the i7.

    But, as Smiki points out...it might be a little cheaper to go with the i7 4790K, but perhaps not as much as one would hope.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    The thing I'm wanting to see more results on is DirectX 12 Gaming. Once I realized that the FX series chips were still having trouble keeping up with an i3, I realized my bottleneck is just continuously getting worse with time. That being said, I also want to see how an i5 compares without all the threads when compared to an i7. I'm curious if there's some noticeable performance gains with DirectX 12 but I haven't found anything that verifies that yet.

    Really, because Zen and Skylake-e should be using new technologies to make the L3 caches faster, they are probably the upgrade that will really matter as far as gaming performance is concerned, but I haven't been able to find a definitive answer on that and probably won't until the releases. I may just save my cash and spend a bit on beefing up my liquid cooling. Then I could get more out of my current CPU now while I wait for the eDram/HBM caches to hit.

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    My FX-9590 is almost on par with my i5-4690K. (except single core performance)
    Even though I'm not using it right now, it remains a fully assembled and ready to go PC.
    It's only serious drawback is its power consumption. (220W of CPU heat has to be mitigated properly)

    One day I'll check DX-12 performance with it and decide if it's going, or staying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    My FX-9590 is almost on par with my i5-4690K. (except single core performance)
    Even though I'm not using it right now, it remains a fully assembled and ready to go PC.
    It's only serious drawback is its power consumption. (220W of CPU heat has to be mitigated properly)

    One day I'll check DX-12 performance with it and decide if it's going, or staying.
    This chart is why I want to upgrade. You do however bring me back a step on this. There needs to be more thorough testing before making a conclusion, but it seems that FX processors aren't going to work well with Dx12.

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    Default Re: Skylake now, or better CPU later?

    This could be a coding issue. I want to see a ~lot~ of DX-12 testing with software variations, CPU variations, and GPU variations to boot.

    Then I'll decide.

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