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    First of all I'd like to say hello to all of you guys here at Pureoc. So let's get down to the problem at hand. About uh 6 months ago I decided it's time to get a new PC and with the amount I had and with the help of a mate that works at a pc component dealer I went ahead and made myself this unit:

    -AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Dual Core.
    -NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512 MB silent-version from Asus.
    -2 x 1024 mb modules of RAM from OCZ (gamer edition w/ radiators).
    -GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4, nVIDIA nFORCE 570 SLI, AM2, 4xDual channel DDR2 800, 2xPCIEXP16x, 3xPCIEXP1x, 8CH, Gigabit LAN, IEEE1394, SATAII, ATA, 2000MTs, ATX.
    -470W power supply from Thermaltake.
    -120 GB HDD from Western Digital 7200 rpm.
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    -Windows XP professional.

    Now the problem: I get sloppy performance in games, I've checked for any programs that might be eating up ram and stuff, and to be sure I did a complete format and updated my PC with an antivirus, i only use Mozilla w/ NoScript to surf the web and I do a complete system check monthly.

    Still, with all this I get bad performance in games like ProStreet (have to play with all settings to minimum for it to actually work well) , Crysis (again everything at minimum) , Call of Duty 4 , Assassin's Creed , World of warcraft (Ok here it's not THAT bad but in crowded environments with many visual effects I still get 16-20 fps which is really bad imho).

    Ok, true, it's not really top of the range hardware I have there but damn, it's not THAT bad , is it? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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    well for the choppy performances in games this would explain why its happening. you have a GeForce 8500 GT, thats basicly a GPU you put in a family computer where they would only play basic games like 3d solitare and the most intense one for that would be WoW. If you want to play Crysis, AoC, CoD4 on high quality and resolution you would need a GPU in the 8800gt(G92)/s/x 9800gtx/gx2 in the nvidia lineup and in the Ati lineup 3870 and up.

    The best thing to do is to get a better GPU, you can pick up an 8800gt for as cheap at $160-$170
    a good one is
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814500006

    I have this one in SLI and I can run crysis on high everything at 1440x900.

    but you can also pick up a 9800gtx at $200 now because of the release of the 9800gtx+ (and the gtx+ is just a die shrink but use less volts and produces less heat at higher clocks)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130350




    If the computer runs kinda sluggish when multitasking on it, I would recommend overclocking the CPU just a little bit to get it higher then 2.2GHz which it runs at stock.

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    forgot to say Welcome to Pure OC Enoad!
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    Yeah I guessed as much it's the video card. So if it were only an option between NVIDIA and ATI which one would be better?

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    Well the 4850 seems to be the best for the buck atm at 200 but also the 9800gtx is selling for 200 now. so you have to choose what factors would suite you.

    4850:
    single slot
    overheats heard it idles at 60-70C
    creates less heat but does overheat ha
    uses less wattage (450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (550 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode))
    Ati =)

    9800gtx:
    dual slot
    uses alot of wattage ( Required Power Supply: 450 Watt/550 Watt for one)
    creates alot of heat, would overheat if you don't use rivatuner, ntunes or such programs to make fan spin faster
    the gtx+ is coming out in july and will be just around 20-30 dollars more.

    in short terms Nvidia is raw power, they make powerhouses but at the same time price, heat output, and power intake are big cons on them. specially with your 470PSU I would not go this way because they mainly require around 350w-450w minimum matters on the card

    While on the other hand Ati has gone the bang for the buck road creating cards that give good performances(4000 series) while being drastically cheaper then the competitor. even if its just one level below in performances it does not justify going down nvidia road for the extra 2fps for another $400.
    Ati known for there good heatsink and fans (will see this on the 4870) and wattage usage is much less then nvidia cards.
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    Well I'd rather pay a bit more and get something better tbph. Could you possibly explain why 470 is not enough for the gtx tho? it says 450/550 there. Thanks again.
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    well it should fit on your motherboard the real problem with it would be,
    would it fit in your case?

    is this your motherboard?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128014

    Found this comment with the 9600gt in it:
    nvidia 9600gt, and 4gigs ddr800. It screams. The only thing is that the vid card is so long it runs across the chip on the motherboard and only leaves about 1/8" clearance. All runs cool though.

    the 9800gtx is dual slot and just a little bit longer then the 9600gt, i think by one inch.

    a review on the 9800gtx about power needed and whatnot:
    Good performances in almost all the most demanding games besides Crysis. It runs smoothly and quiet at idle, and gets the job done.
    Not impressive in terms of 3D-Mark06 scores but my mb is not a gaming one.
    Needs two 6-pin connectors and at least 500W in your power supply.

    Cons:
    This is a good upgrade if you own a series 7 or older nVidia graphic card, it will be a good step up from a 8600GT/S but if you own a 8800GT/S/X you will not be WOWED by this card performances. The fan is too slow in auto mode, and nTune fails to fix this. Riva tuner does the job. Waiting for EVGA precision.

    so if you want to go for something a little better then I would suggest getting a more powerful PSU.

    but an 8800gt only requires a Power Supply of 400 Watt so that would be much better then the 8500gt you have but you would not have to get a new PSU.

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    i'd get a 4850 over a 9800 GTX. COD4 performance alone is WAY ahead of the 9800 GTX. Your PSU is a little on the small side but should be OK.

    ps, its def the gpu that's causing the stutter, the rest of the system isn't too bad really.
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    you don't think the 4850 would be strainous on the PSU jameson? I look up what it requires and all manufacturers are posting 450 PSU minimum and he has 470 PSU. I think thats kinda cutting it close but I did run an 8800gt on a 375w PSU hehe just was afraid I would have fried the card.

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    those recommendations made by ATI and Nvidia are looking at worst case scenarios, you know, those really aweful unbranded units that claim to be 450W but aren't if you look at regulations.

    Besides, it actually looks like the power requirements are better than a 9800 GTX, and considering the performance is certainly better, the 4850 still gets my vote.

    It's also worth noting that the results below are full system power on a quad core system, it's hovering around 230W load.

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    1. Yes Kaganader that is my motherboard.
    2. So what you're actually saying is that the numbers the manufacturers give are above the minimum requirements? So in theory if i get a 9800gtx it should run ok without an upgrade of my PSU?
    3. All in all 4850 > 9800 gtx?

    oh yeah and 4. I haven't done any overclocking yet , but you suggested I boost my CPU from 2.21 up a bit. Any idea exactly how I can do that?
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    from what Jameson said, those numbers are above what it needs, compared to the charts they double what it actually uses. So upgrading your card to 4850 or gtx (4850 is better =) ) you wouldn't need to change the PSU.

    To overclock you do it in the Bios.
    I have never had an AMD processor, hence I have only had Intel but since intel uses FSB the formula would be for intels:
    (base FSB speed is SDR, or single data rate)
    (CPU Multiplier) x [Base FSB speed] = CPU Clock speed
    4 x [Base FSB speed] = Effective FSB speed (QDR: quad data rate)
    there quad pump.

    its almost the same formula for AMD but the differences is that its duo pump and not quad like the intels.
    2 x [Base FSB speed] = Effective FSB speed (DDR: dual data rate)
    (CPU Multiplier) x [Base FSB speed] = CPU Clock speed

    You overclock by raising the FSB and only upping the Vcore till the computer is stable.
    you would have to use programs like orthos, prime 95, superPi to test out the stability of the computer if you overclock alot.


    with a black edition AMd you can also overclock just by changing the multiplier but thats only for the black editions where the multiplier is unlocked.

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    there are some threads in the AMD section tha cover this all in detail, i was going to suggest you overclock the cpu to give the gpu a helping hand, it'll certainly like it.

    i don't think athlons fsb were quad pumped, was it not dual?

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    oh sorry if I wrote it incorrectly intels are quad pump and amd are dual pumped.

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    i haven't read all tho posts yet but, doesn't Enoad need a PCI-Express 2.0 slot to get the full performance from the 4850 and the 9800GTX?
    What?

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    True, I just realized that too after I just re look at his motherboard. But most of the pci-e 2.0 cards are backwards compatible to the 1.0-1.1 but won't be using the full potential of them when they do that.

    I don't think he would want to get a whole new motherboard but lets wait for him to respond.

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    True , I'd rather not change the motherboard because to get a new video card for example I'm just gonna sell my current one and with the money I already have plus what I'll get from my mum I'll just go ahead and buy a new video card , but I'm not sure I can find a buyer for my motherboard.

    Theoretically speaking tho , would this be ok ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128081

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