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    Dear All Any Ideas If I Can Get Away With A 300watt Psu For A Geforce 7800gs 512mb Agp Or Will I Have To Invest In More Power? Some Web Sites Say I Need 350w Min But A Few Forums Have Said You May Be Ok With 300w???


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    are we talking about the 7800GT for AGP card or just a 512MB 7800GS? do you know what brand this PSU is and the amperage for the rails (12V especially)?

    Some really good quality 300W PSU's will probably JUST about handle such cards but I like to know the PSU i have will not be a problem, so my own personal opinion is no, a 300W would be really pushing the limits. It may run it but it'll probably be a strain, and PSU's, espeically cheap ones do not like to be run near full load.

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    Thanks for reply James but I saw one in Maplin today on offer for £30 X-Power ATX-500TD @ 500watts seems quiet just need graphics card to turn up and I am away! Need an idiots guide on overclocking next?? BTW G card is 7800GS

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    You'll probably be fine on that Maplin bought X-Power PSU, but i always recommend to anyone who mentions the world "overclocking" to invest in a real meaty PSU.

    Anyhow, who makes a true AGP 512MB 7800GS?

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    Hay Townski, I would strongly recommend you follow James' advice but just to clarify what I think he means, spend more than 30 on a PSU. I personally would go for a better known brand of PSU, such as Antec, Hyper or Engermax.

    If in doubt look up some reviews on Google, but simple way of looking @ it is "you get what you pay for".
    "Last time i saw you, you were over there!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Townski
    Dear All Any Ideas If I Can Get Away With A 300watt Psu For A Geforce 7800gs 512mb Agp Or Will I Have To Invest In More Power? Some Web Sites Say I Need 350w Min But A Few Forums Have Said You May Be Ok With 300w???

    I had a Topower 520W (3.3v = 28A, 5v = 52A, 12v = 28A) and it was NOT enough to run my 7800GS+ 512MB AGP. The 3.3v rail was dropping to 2.9v. The PSU in other systems or with a 9800Pro was fine.

    I borrowed a friends Antec NeoHE 550W (3.3v = 24A, 5v = 20A, 12v = 54AA) and it was able to run the 7800GS+ (3.3v rail was 3.24v, 5v was 4.96 and the 12v rail was 11.91).

    I have ordered a Silverstone ST60F 600W (3.3v Rail = 33A, 5v rail = 24A and the 12v rail has 55A in 4 dedicated 12v rails of 13A, 18A, 16A and a 8A than can do 18A.

    I will post my resutls.

    Q) What is the official Power (AMPS/WATTS) usage of the 7800GS+ 512MB AGP? I have asked Gainward but I have had no reply for 2 weeks?

    Please Help.
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    yep that's exactly what can happen if you buy a cheap PSU, it might say 500W but it's meaningless when you don't know how they tested it to figure out it was 500W.

    Two tricks rubbish PSU manufacturers use are to list there Wattage from the peak performance instead of continuous output.
    • Continuous Output - Measures the ability of a power supply to provide power over an infinite period of time in specific conditions, i.e., at an ambient temperature of 50c.
    • Peak Output - Measures the ability of a power supply to provide power for a short period of time above its continuous output rating. Peak output should last for no longer than 17 seconds with no more than one occurrence per minute.
    You should be able to see why claiming a PSU is a 500W unit because it can handle 500W at peak is simply a lie. On top of this, they can test for both peak and continuous outputs at any temperature they damn well please. One PSU manufacturer may test at the industry standard of 50c ambient when trying to determine both continuous and peak outputs, another may test at 25c. To give you an idea of how badly this affects thing, a Seasonic 600W unit at say 20c could probably handle 700 or 800W at those temps, but since when do power supplies EVER run at 20c?

    Combine both of these and you could be buying a PSU rated as 500W which was tested at 25c AND then only listed as 500W by it's peak performance. Can you imagine what that power supply would really be rated as if it was tested at 50c continuous output? Probably 300W in truth.

    Though i can probably give you a rough idea of the power consumption of the Gainward card, it isn't really relevant now. The power supply you had previously sounds like it was a very poor unit, and that new 600W one you're getting will happily run two of those cards (not that you can do this on AGP) in a heavily overclocked system, so no need to worry about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James
    yep that's exactly what can happen if you buy a cheap PSU, it might say 500W but it's meaningless when you don't know how they tested it to figure out it was 500W.

    Two tricks rubbish PSU manufacturers use are to list there Wattage from the peak performance instead of continuous output.
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    • Peak Output - Measures the ability of a power supply to provide power for a short period of time above its continuous output rating. Peak output should last for no longer than 17 seconds with no more than one occurrence per minute.
    You should be able to see why claiming a PSU is a 500W unit because it can handle 500W at peak is simply a lie. On top of this, they can test for both peak and continuous outputs at any temperature they damn well please. One PSU manufacturer may test at the industry standard of 50c ambient when trying to determine both continuous and peak outputs, another may test at 25c. To give you an idea of how badly this affects thing, a Seasonic 600W unit at say 20c could probably handle 700 or 800W at those temps, but since when do power supplies EVER run at 20c?

    Combine both of these and you could be buying a PSU rated as 500W which was tested at 25c AND then only listed as 500W by it's peak performance. Can you imagine what that power supply would really be rated as if it was tested at 50c continuous output? Probably 300W in truth.

    Though i can probably give you a rough idea of the power consumption of the Gainward card, it isn't really relevant now. The power supply you had previously sounds like it was a very poor unit, and that new 600W one you're getting will happily run two of those cards (not that you can do this on AGP) in a heavily overclocked system, so no need to worry about it.
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    The sad thing is I purchased the Topower 520W 2 years ago for over $240 AUD and it was the second most expensive PSU at the time. the OCZ PowerStream 520W was the most expensive back them.

    I hope the Silverstone ST60F 600W will last me more than 2 years as it cost me $220


    Q1) Do you know where there are online tips/guides for PSU etc. I know Toms did a huge 30 page readup back in the day and they said 3.3v was the rail to invest AMPS in (but then 12v became the one to spec up).

    Thanks Again

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    i'll find some PSU guide links shortly and post them up, there are some good guides around, you can check out a PSU roundup i did a while back, the first few pages hold some decent info regarding PSU's

    http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=15

    I think your Topower model was probably well built (we don't have them over here), it just seems geared toward the 5V line and that's no good for modern systems. Now the focus is on the 12v rail, and it'll stay like that for many, many years now, so this new PSU will be a great investment

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    fyi: I found a great PSU guide here (at my default forum)http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/Power_Supply_Unit

    Also i you have a contact at Gainward could you ask them what the max power draw 9AMPS and WATTS) of 7800GS+ 512MB AGP is?

    Also could you ask Gainward if I can use one of the two 6 wire PCI-E power cable that comes the Silverstone ST60F (or any SLI PSU) instead of the 2x molex to 6 PCI-e styles adapther taht comes with it.

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    i can tell you without contacting gainward that you can use the pci-e connector on a psu, that 2x molex to 6 pin adaptor is only there for those who have a PSU without pci-e connectors.

    As for the power draw, it will be somewhat the same as a 7900GT if it's the 24 pipes card, or a 7800GT if its the 20 pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James
    i can tell you without contacting gainward that you can use the pci-e connector on a psu, that 2x molex to 6 pin adaptor is only there for those who have a PSU without pci-e connectors.

    As for the power draw, it will be somewhat the same as a 7900GT if it's the 24 pipes card, or a 7800GT if its the 20 pipe.
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    When I borrowed the Antec NeoHE 55W I compared the NeoHE's PCIe power plug with he Gainward 6 pin to 2x molex plug. Both plugs have only 5 wires but the gainwards middle wire was opposite the NeoHE's plug? Is this normal?

    The card is a 24 piper. How much power does a 7900GT draw then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Townski View Post
    Dear All Any Ideas If I Can Get Away With A 300watt Psu For A Geforce 7800gs 512mb Agp Or Will I Have To Invest In More Power? Some Web Sites Say I Need 350w Min But A Few Forums Have Said You May Be Ok With 300w???

    I ran my Gainward bliss 7800GS+ AGP in my old Compac Pressario box (xp3000) with a 240volt psu and no probs. Apart from the processer and 512 memory bottlenecking was fine. Inherited a athlon 63 3500 now tho and the difference is awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    You'll probably be fine on that Maplin bought X-Power PSU, but i always recommend to anyone who mentions the world "overclocking" to invest in a real meaty PSU.

    Anyhow, who makes a true AGP 512MB 7800GS?
    gainward does....i have one and its awsome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Townski View Post
    Dear All Any Ideas If I Can Get Away With A 300watt Psu For A Geforce 7800gs 512mb Agp Or Will I Have To Invest In More Power? Some Web Sites Say I Need 350w Min But A Few Forums Have Said You May Be Ok With 300w???
    im using a 750w psu and did run a 600, was having issues with all the other hdd's etc....now? no issues.....

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