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    Default Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Hi everyone, i need some advice. Im about to change my video card and i have to decide between the Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II or the MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III. I already checked both card reviews but still i can't decide which one to buy. Right now i can get the asus card cheaper than the msi, and with that extra money upgrade my motherboard to an Asus Crosshair IV Formula.

    So, I want to know which card is the best, even if that means having to wait some time to change my motherboard.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    If the price difference is enough to buy that motherboard too, then by all means do that.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Well, the difference is not enough to get the motherboard, but with some extra money i can buy it.
    But if you forget about the motherboard, which card would you buy and why?

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    For ease of reference, here are link to the specs for both cards:

    Asus: http://usa.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/N...specifications
    MSI: http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-Twin-Frozr-II-OC.html#?div=Specification

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    hey are both great cards, but the MSI card has a slightly higher core clock speed and only takes up two slots compared to the three slots for the Asus card. Don't know if this will be an issue for you. However, if you can get the Asus card cheaper and also get a new motherboard that is the way I would go. Also, I wouldn't get the Crosshair IV because it has no upgrade path. Get the Crosshair V with AM3+ socket which will still accept your Phenom II chip. It's not much more money than the IV.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Although a liittle more, the Radeon 7950 and 7970 kick the snot out of the 580.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Quote Originally Posted by manyakpo View Post
    Well, the difference is not enough to get the motherboard, but with some extra money i can buy it.
    But if you forget about the motherboard, which card would you buy and why?
    They both have the same warranty 3-Years Parts,....except that the MSI card has 2-years labor costs while the ASUS has 3-Years.
    So ASUS has the better warranty it seems.

    As SamCR3 said, the ASUS card uses three spaces on the motherboard while the MSI uses two.
    Both are reputable manufacturers and the cards are real close in performance too.

    Of the two,.....I would buy the ASUS card.
    Drdeath's suggestion of a Radeon 7950 is a good one too.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    The three slots for the Asus card are not an issue. I will check the Chrosshair V that SamCR3 mentioned.
    About the 7950 and 7970 ofc i would buy them if i could, but i can't afforf them right now.
    I have one more question, my 600w PSU will be enough as long as i don't OC anything? What PSU should i buy if i plan to OC my video card and CPU? A 700w PSU would be enough?

    Thanks for all the help so far.

    EDIT: Between the asus and the msi, which one do you think is the best for OC? In the review the msi shows lower temperatures than the asus at full load (MSI 60 vs Asus 81).
    Thats probably the main reason i would go for the msi card.
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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Your 600W PSU is good as long as it's a good one. If you run into problems with your OC, ~then~ get a bigger one.
    If you're gonna OC and the MSI runs cooler, then by all means that is your best choice. Heat is not a good thing when it's inside your PC.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    The HD7950 is $50 less than a GTX580,so why not go for the 7950 ?

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    Your 600W PSU is good as long as it's a good one. If you run into problems with your OC, ~then~ get a bigger one.
    If you're gonna OC and the MSI runs cooler, then by all means that is your best choice. Heat is not a good thing when it's inside your PC.
    Definitely go with the MSI card if it really runs that much cooler. Both card are excellent brands and I'm really surprised the MSI runs that much cooler. I would check these results across multiple reviews to be sure, but maybe you already have.

    As for PSU, if depends on whether you plan on going SLI (multiple gpus) in the future and how much you plan to overclock you card(s) and cpu. As Neil said in another post, your PSU is the backbone of your system and a very critical component. If you can afford it, I would recommend an 850W PSU to "futureproof" your system. Some good brands are SeaSonic, Corsair, and Cooler Master. Make sure the PSU is at least 80+ bronze certified and I would get at least a 700W unit. Also, make sure the PSU is fully modular as it will make your build easier and cleaner. Just my opinion.

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151102
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171061

    I really like the Cooler Master PSU's because they are reliable and have flat modular cables that make for a very easy and clean build. The model linked above also comes with a fan controller that seems pretty cool. I haven't used this particular model, but I am very happy with my 700W Cooler Master Silent Pro M. Just wish it was an 8 or 850W unit.
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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    The HD7950 is $50 less than a GTX580,so why not go for the 7950 ?
    yup 7950 beats the 580

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor_Death View Post
    The HD7950 is $50 less than a GTX580,so why not go for the 7950 ?
    Good point!

    On Newegg, the least expensive 580 is $470 while the least expensive 7950 is $450.

    580: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%2060003034 8%20600094002%20600085533&IsNodeId=1&name=GeForce% 20GTX%20580%20%28Fermi%29
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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    7950, Good choice.

    And thier already clocking the 7950 to its big brother clocks.

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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Also the 7950 uses less power compared to the580. so you will be ok with 600watt PSU as long as its 80plus certified.

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    I have two of the MSI cards (3gb version) and they incredible. Run very cool and overclock like a monster, not sure about the Asus cards though.
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    Default Re: Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II VS MSI GTX 580 Lightning Twin Frozr III

    Well, of course i would like to buy a 7970 or a 7950, the problem is i can't afford it right now, and also, the card im planning to buy is used.
    I have been checking several reviews about both cards, and found the load temperatures on the asus card could be lower than i tought, around 76º under full load using furmark.

    http://www.hardwarereview.net/Review...TX580_DCU2.htm

    So, i guess i will go with the asus card, plus a new motherboard, maybe the crosshair formula V, or a formula IV.
    About the PSU, you guys are right, it's gonna be a problem sooner or latter, i was planning on changing it for a 750w coolermaster or maybe antec, but i will leave that for latter.
    Thanks for all your help guys, i really apreciate it.

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