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    Default 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Hey guys, hope you are all doing good!


    After giving the whole matter a tremendous amount of thought I have decided to sell my 680 Lightning + Block and get a cheaper and slightly more performant (especially with the new drivers) 7970 GHZ Edition + Waterblock for overclocking/gaming purposes.

    I am just fed up with the whole Nvidia butthurt Voltage locking, and having to flash my card after every driver update in order to get a moderately decent Overclock out of it. Also I didnīt really draw a good chip and 1.190GHZ Boost was the most I could do on it.

    I have recently read up on the 7970 GHZ and its generally more consistent overclockability, but also higher performance with the new driver release have seduced me sufficiently.
    Additionally 3GB VRAM and a more efficient Frame Buffer donīt hurt either.

    Never having owned a AMD Card, I would like some information regarding what to consider and to take care of before buying the new card.

    Basically with my research and the EK Cooling Configurator I have found the following:

    7970 Matrix Platinum & Lightning both only come with the EK Nickel + Acetal which I donīt want since it doesnīt fit my theme.

    I am wondering if their overclocking features (higher amount of phases etc.) will really make a difference compared to a normal GHZ edition card in my attempt of reaching 1.3GHZ Boost.

    If so then I would consider getting one pf them with the Acetal + Nickel Block.

    If not I would like some of your user experience and general knowledge of which 7970GHZ Edition has been shown/known to clock well, (despite the silicon lottery) and if it has the reference design, which is very important.

    Personally I have only found one single 7970GHZ Edition in the EKWB Cooling Configurator which also features the reference PCB design- The XFX 7970 GHZ 1050M Double Dissipation.

    If you know more please donīt hesitate to mention them.

    Thanks guys, hope you can help out

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    I personally have 2 msi lightnings and really cant complain ....as far as using one card anyways!! Im personally having issues with xfire but Im n the middle of sorting it out

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Yeah they are alright cards, I am just wondering if the couple more phases will really make a difference compared to the GHZ Edition with my target overclock of 1.3GHZ.

    Personally I have made the experience that the chip decides 90% of the cards overclockability, and that phases, power induction etc. really hold any relevance with LN2 in order to squeeze out that last bleeding edge of 10MHZ.

    Since I am going to watercool anyway I donīt think that within the 1.3V maximum Voltage, a GHZ Edition will inferior to a Non Ref in terms of overclocking, but of course I wanna here you guyīs side of the story as well

    Can you recommend any 7970s which are known to have good chips in a more consistent range of models?
    Because it has been rumored that GHZ Edition cards are binned.

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    I think your best bet is the XFX 7970 GHz Edition. I've had great luck with my XFX HD 7970 Black Edition.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Since I am watercooling anyway I was thinking of just grabbing a normal 7970.
    But I am concerned that the 7970GHZ Edition might be binned superior to the Ref 7970s?

    Have you guys got any information on that?

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Everyone that owns the 680 lightnings love them, if you really want better performance, skip the 7970 and by a GTX690 or the new GTX Titan

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Get the Ares II or Devil 13 or even the clud 3d 7990. All beat the 690 is most games, has more oveclocking headroom and cost less then the Titan which some are saying will not be as fast as the 690. Yeah the Titan maybe be the fastest single gpu but its not the faster card out. It sure isnt the cheapest either.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Sandy, reviews are already out on the Titan

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Your right, I didnt catch those. I just went and looked at 2 of them. I stand by my statement. Titan isnt worth it unless you run in sli. If you can afford that go right ahead! lol
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Thanks for the input guys, but I really dislike DualGPUs for an abundance of reasons, hence the 690 is not an option.
    Titan is really just a Server Class board and doesnīt hold a very good performance/value ratio considering itīs price tag.
    I believe the card and VRAM are generally targeted at developers/professional use and not so much consumer level to begin with.
    Altough Monitor overclocking and finally a Boost corresponding to temps are features I desperately would have liked to see on 680s.

    I have a couple of problems with my Lightning.
    First of MSI uses Single Link DVI Connectors, not only is that a bother in regards to resolution, but I just hate getting the "no signal" display turn off before booting into windows, due to the card having to equalize the Single Link Output.

    Also Nvidiaīs voltage locking butthurt with the new drivers is just a pain, especially when all the OC features of the Lightning are only available via a BIOS Flash which will void the warranty.
    And if those are moot, the whole card pretty much is.

    I definitely want the highest performing Single GPU Solution for a reasonable price.
    And I strongly believe that the 7970 GHZ or Ref are the way to go.


    So back to my original question.
    Do any of you know if the GHZ Editions are binned?
    If not I will just get a normal Ref one.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Just go with the ref models. Easier to get blocks for anyways.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Yeah, but I need to know if the GHZ Editions are binned.
    If so, there are two GHZ Edition Models (XFX and HIS) which feature a Reference PCB as stated by the EKWB Cooling Configurator.
    Also the cost increase is rather inconsiderable.

    If the GHZ Editions are indeed not binned, then I will certainly go for a plain Ref one.
    Hopefully you guys have some knowledge regarding the binning matter.

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    Sorry I cant answer you about Binning. I know some of the other guys on here do. Just be pateint.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    I researched a little and the word "binning" is frequently used with the GHZ Edition.
    Yet it is never directly stated, if that binning pricess exceeds the out of the box clocks of 1050/1500.

    Not sure, hope you guys know more.

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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    i suggest the Club 3D 7970 Royal King. Those cards seem to overclock pretty well.
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    Default Re: 7970 GHZ need some help turning red:)

    Are you sure?
    It's not a GHZ Edition, by the looks of the Clocks.

    Appearently nobody knows wheter GHZ Editions are binned or not, so I will call AMD's reference establishment in Germany tomorrow.

    On BOT only the GHZE seem to hit the magical 1.3GHZ.
    I will report back after I get off the phone with them.

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