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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Ya, you can't take framerates as absolutes. You need to take them relative to the competition for ONE TEST BED. And then you need to look at the overall trends. One review may show X card as 4% faster in one game, at one resolution. Then another review may show it as 6% faster at a different resolution. The reality is you can't nail it down EXACTLY and take it as gospel. Look at the bigger picture.

    Furthermore, as I've said many times to the AMD and Nvidia fanboys, can you see a difference between, say, 52.1FPS and 54.7FPS? That's a 5% increase, and I hear from fanboys that 5% means Card X utterly KILLS Card Y. And yet, I can't see the difference between 52 and 55FPS. Can you? Can they? No. So.........in terms of performance, it's only for bragging rights.

    Now let's make the fanboy argument entirely disappear, shall we?

    What if that 5% faster Card X costs $50 more than Card Y? You just paid $50 for something you can't see. You coulda bought a new mouse or CPU cooler for that, or money towards a little SSD. What if Card X is 5% faster, but it's 10C warmer? What if Card Y comes with a free game you've wanted to play worth $45? What if Card Y has a custom cooler for only $15 more and runs far quieter and cooler than Card Y reference design or Card X?

    Now we're asking the right questions. Which would you rather buy? Unfortunately, the fanboys neglect all other criteria except for some "HUGE!!!!1!!!one!!" performance killer of 5%, which translates to a few FPS in real world scenarios, THAT NOBODY CAN SEE. So perhaps......just PERHAPS....that might mean that gaming value means more? Temperatures and noise levels might mean something? Features matter?

    So tell me again fanboys (you know who you are LOL), who rules the roost?

    Not so clear now, is it?

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    For $550 you could x-fire a pair of x9 280x's.... How would performance of 290 compare to that ??

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Excellent point Grumpy.

    Generally speaking (not always, but "usually"), two cards in Crossfire/SLI that are only 1 rung lower on the performance ladder, almost always perform better than the single card model just above. For example 2 x 280X > 1 x 290X.

    There are potential issues on occasion running dual cards, it's not always hassle-free, but you prove my point: value is not to be underestimated when looking at performance.

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Are you calling me out Skyguy? You calling me a fanboy? JK

    In this case I would have to say AMD does "KIll" Not only for the 5-10% improvements in FPS either. It is the fact that those beat the 780 and the Titan which cost substantial more then the 290x. I have factored in all of those when I made my statement. The reference design may be a little louder. I hate all ref coolers. Nvidia or AMD. They suck. single fan solutions are even worse. Non reference cards will correct that issue so I am not concerned. They will also address the temps. But IMHO the temps actually make sense to me. They packed 2816 gpu cores in a small package. close to 800 more cores then the 7970 and 280x running at a max of 1GHZ Of course there will be some heat. 176 Texture units, 64 rops, 4gb of memory over a 512 bit bus of course there will be heat. When Intel switched to Tri gate and smashed more crap in IVY it got hotter. Didnt stop everyone from buying it, so why is this any different? Because AMD did it? lol Its simple. AMD made improvements on the same node allowing them to pack 6.2 billion transistor on the chip. A Haswell 4770k has only has 1.6 billion transistors. So think about that a moment.............Um Yeah it will run a little warm! lol

    All in all it runs warmer for a good reason, power consumption is going to be close to 300w in real world use age for good reason, it will be quieter with other solutions, it beats everything out in most test, even if it is by a little bit, and the topper is it is cheaper then a 780 by $100 and cheaper then a Titan by $450. That sir is why I said it is killer. Oh yeah! and you get BF4 for free! If you look at a 3dmark cost per points measurement the 290x it is easily one of the best values out right now.
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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Now if I could just find one to order.
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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    From someone who has used both camp's cards and been pleased with both sides for different raisins:

    Frankly the whole temperature and noise thing is moot to me. The point of purchasing a reference card, to me anyway, is to water cool it and guarantee water block compatibility (pending some strange card refresh, like the 560 Ti-448 cores), and I fully intend on water cooling one.

    The performance numbers seem to vary quite a bit as of right now, with the 290X appearing to trade blows with the 780/Titan depending on the situation. it looks like at lower resolutions, the nVidia offerings make more sense, in some instances knocking the 290X down many pegs. However, as resolutions climb, the cards suddenly stops being a lazy spoiled little S*** and puts on it's big boy pants, creating in some cease performance disparities that totally justify this being the card to purchase in this price bracket.

    Having said all of this, I can clearly state that any nVidia owner out there who currently HAS a 780 or a Titan shouldn't really feel too butthert over this card. The time was bound to come sooner or later where similar performance could be had for significantly cheaper. True, no one expected it to be THIS soon, but them's the brakes when you're talking about ePeen bragging rights.

    The people who SHOULD be feeling butthert are nVidia. The only thing I have ever had to gripe about with them is the pricing of their video cards as of late: they've stayed maybe a bit too inflated for a bit too long. Are they aware of the kind of market we are still living in globally? very few people are going to have the cash to shell out to get a Titan, or even a 780 in most cases. Hell I just recently built a machine for one of my friends that has a GTX 770 in it, and THAT was a stretch for him. Anything that is 600 dollars and over simply doesn't work properly anymore for anyone other than those in the business sector, and those guys are going to be buying driver-optimized Quadro or FirePro cards for productivity's sake. The ONLY time a price that big makes even the slightest bit of sense is with a dual GPU card, and even then the problems that those cards can bring to the table are sometimes not even worth it when you could purchase the GPU's separately and get the same (possibly better) level of performance at only the cost of a slightly louder system and a reduced power bill in the winter from the heat it'll put out x-).

    The short version of all of this is this: Do you have the coin for this card? If yes, then buy it. If yes but you don't plan on water cooling it, then either wait for a non-reference cooler or get a 780 on sale if it's not too far off of your price range. Ultimately whether or not it actually "kills" Titan is irrelevant; what DOES matter is that it offers Titan-like performance at almost half the price.

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgutierrez33 View Post
    The short version of all of this is this: Do you have the coin for this card? If yes, then buy it. If yes but you don't plan on water cooling it, then either wait for a non-reference cooler or get a 780 on sale if it's not too far off of your price range. Ultimately whether or not it actually "kills" Titan is irrelevant; what DOES matter is that it offers Titan-like performance at almost half the price.
    I wouldnt even get the 780. I would get 2 280x. Even with some of the potential issues with Xfire the benefits are greater.

    What I meant by "kill" was as a total package. Not just performance markers. The half price thing is a huge part of why it kills.
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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    I wouldnt even get the 780. I would get 2 280x. Even with some of the potential issues with Xfire the benefits are greater.

    What I meant by "kill" was as a total package. Not just performance markers. The half price thing is a huge part of why it kills.
    Agreed. I totes got what you meant by "kill" though. Performance metrics are important, but when the products being compared have such dramatically different pricing yet offer very similar performance, the obvious choice is the one that is easiest on your wallet (at least from a gaming perspective).

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    I wouldnt even get the 780. I would get 2 280x. Even with some of the potential issues with Xfire the benefits are greater.

    What I meant by "kill" was as a total package. Not just performance markers. The half price thing is a huge part of why it kills.
    I hope that people aren't thinking that NVIDIA will not respond with new prices of their own.
    This nice batch of new cheaper AMD cards guarantees that it will happen.
    Seriously, I wouldn't buy ~anything~ until the dust settles a little.

    All GPU prices will adjust now. It may take a few months, but it will be worth the wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gooeyballzz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanoprobe View Post
    These didn't last long.
    Yeah I had one already to go but wanted to read a couple reviews.
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    I I hadn't of just bought a 7990 yesterday :P I probably would have, but the offers for 7990's are just too good haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorz View Post
    I I hadn't of just bought a 7990 yesterday :P I probably would have, but the offers for 7990's are just too good haha!
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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    Now worries about that one being sold out. All the big boys have 290x and 290s on the way. Its funny they made them all use stock ref pics lol There is a Asus DC model, gigabyte Windforce, Dual-X and Vapor-X model by Sapphire. Msi has a reference model and an after market cooler. The market will be full shortly. I want a 290X Toxic Edition! I dont see one listed but I would be shocked if Sapphire didnt make one.

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    I have read many different reviews, and the results are not very consistent. The general consensus is that the 290X trades blows with the GTX780 and Titan at 1920x1080 and it goes ahead at higher resolutions.
    The main concerns for everybody are noise level and heat, which also caused all the testers to achieve little or no OC with the 290X. Clearly this is the card to watercool, and if you think about it, you can get it together with a waterblock for the same price of a GTX780.


    Now, my disappointment is that in the US the 290X is 100$ cheaper than the 780, but so far in Europe I can only find the 290X at €539 or more, and that's on par with the 780. Actually, there are cheaper 780s available

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    Default Re: $549 are you out of your mind!?!?

    According to several reviews, AMD needs to fix the overclocking issue, hopefully that will happen very soon

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