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    Default 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    Hello one and all! I'm starting my Black Friday list a little early and one place of primary interest is graphics. I got my HIS 7870 GHZ on black friday weekend and the idea was to get another later for a crossfire setup. By the time the new year came newegg no longer carried them. I went to partspicker.com and got the same result, and I'm not going to E-Bay, ( I did check though). So I'm looking ahead at the R9 270. I compared the 270 and the 270X and it seems the only difference between them is the overclock, a second 6 pin connector, and of course the price. Am I missing something here or is the 270 a 270X waiting to be tweaked?

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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    The "X" is overclocked a little, and probably has better power handling features. They usually have better coolers on them as well.

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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    That being said, the oc I can handle myself. The average difference in price is 40$, so for 2 cards that's 80$. Is the 270X worth the difference, if so, which one? I'm looking at ASUS, Sapphire and XFX.

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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    either will be good. me i like Sapphire.
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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    I love my ASUS. But out of those, I would go with ASUS or Sapphire. XFX has been going downhill recently, their QC has been slipping up a good bit.

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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystikhol9 View Post
    That being said, the oc I can handle myself. The average difference in price is 40$, so for 2 cards that's 80$. Is the 270X worth the difference, if so, which one? I'm looking at ASUS, Sapphire and XFX.


    They are basically the same GPU but as mentioned before the 270x is tuned better out of the box and has better power handling. So you can get a 270 (150w) and overclock it to a 270x(180w) range but if you get a 270x it can be overclocked to be closer to a 280x. So it all comes down to how much you want to spend and what performance range you are trying to get to.
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    It all goes to the overall design of the GPU being improved from stock. X cards are premium in their designs.

    The better power handling capabilities is the selling point as far as I'm concerned. Stable power is the basic requirement of OCing anything.
    The better your power is, the more stable it will be at higher clocks, for a longer time. So yeah, it's worth it if you can afford it.

    The better cooling is a result of more power capabilities being present on the card. No need to say that better cooling is a good thing.

    All of this assumes that you're using a power supply that is a quality brand, and that it delivers enough power to the card, or cards.
    (I have two of those Hive 750s here, but have only SLI'd a pair of GTX-570s with them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    It all goes to the overall design of the GPU being improved from stock. X cards are premium in their designs.

    The better power handling capabilities is the selling point as far as I'm concerned. Stable power is the basic requirement of OCing anything.
    The better your power is, the more stable it will be at higher clocks, for a longer time. So yeah, it's worth it if you can afford it.

    The better cooling is a result of more power capabilities being present on the card. No need to say that better cooling is a good thing.

    All of this assumes that you're using a power supply that is a quality brand, and that it delivers enough power to the card, or cards.
    (I have two of those Hive 750s here, but have only SLI'd a pair of GTX-570s with them)

    Im with you. If you can afford get the 270x. Even if you only get one now and another one in a month or 2. They crossfire well too.
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    Default Re: 270 - 270X Same or Different?

    So, the 270X is the clear choice here, and I've had two other Sapphire cards before, a 1950 gt I think it was, and a 7770, so Sapphire it is then. My next question then, if I understand realneil correctly, when I do go crossfire with the270X, I should get a stronger psu as well? Also, while I have Mr. burnout's attention, in a couple of my past post's you requested some pic's. Right now my system is, shall we say, a bit fugly. However, due to "public interest", there is a Corsair 750D in my systems future, and I found some interesting things at Performance-PCs.com that got my imagination flowing with many idea's. So if I end up living alone because I love my computer more than my family, it's all your fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystikhol9 View Post
    So, the 270X is the clear choice here, and I've had two other Sapphire cards before, a 1950 gt I think it was, and a 7770, so Sapphire it is then. My next question then, if I understand realneil correctly, when I do go crossfire with the270X, I should get a stronger psu as well? Also, while I have Mr. burnout's attention, in a couple of my past post's you requested some pic's. Right now my system is, shall we say, a bit fugly. However, due to "public interest", there is a Corsair 750D in my systems future, and I found some interesting things at Performance-PCs.com that got my imagination flowing with many idea's. So if I end up living alone because I love my computer more than my family, it's all your fault!
    What Neil means is if you have a sh*tty brand or low wattage PSU you need to upgrade it before running Xfire. Adding the additional GPU will increase the stress or draw more power then the PSU can handle. 700w is a good range to have for 2 270x.

    Well I look forward to your not so Fugly system but since you mentioned how fugly it is we now want before and after pics! lol

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    Actually, food ranks a little higher on the list, but, yup I'm pretty much doomed! As for Perf-Pcs, I like the fact that they have cases from Case Labs in their product line, I don't like going to a bunch different places to get the stuff I need (or want). I know this isn't the spot for memory questions, but you know the old saying, strike while the iron's hot. My memory is supposed to be ddr 1600 but shows up as 1333. I read in a couple of other posts to turn on the xmp setting or enter the settings manually. I'm new to the UEFI bios, but fishing around in there, I saw the timings are as they should be, however, I couldn't where the xmp setting is. I'm not too worried about this as I only paid $40 for it. Still, it's good to know how to deal with these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystikhol9 View Post
    Actually, food ranks a little higher on the list, but, yup I'm pretty much doomed! As for Perf-Pcs, I like the fact that they have cases from Case Labs in their product line, I don't like going to a bunch different places to get the stuff I need (or want). I know this isn't the spot for memory questions, but you know the old saying, strike while the iron's hot. My memory is supposed to be ddr 1600 but shows up as 1333. I read in a couple of other posts to turn on the xmp setting or enter the settings manually. I'm new to the UEFI bios, but fishing around in there, I saw the timings are as they should be, however, I couldn't where the xmp setting is. I'm not too worried about this as I only paid $40 for it. Still, it's good to know how to deal with these things.
    Just so you know, if you havent figured it out or saw somewhere else, concerning your memory, the 990FX boards from ASUS especially tend to want you to "overclock" your memory speed to 1600. Does it actually do anything to your RAM itself? Not really. It just allows you to use it at what it was rated for. I had the same issue, bumped my speed up to my 1600 and that was it. Perfectly stable, no problems at all.

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    I'm glad you mentioned that, because, when I put this stuff together I kept getting BSOD. I use Resplendence's "Who Crashed", and found out it was the memory. I set it at 1333 and no more bsod. As soon as I read your suggestion, set it back up and no problems so far.

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    I'm glad you mentioned that, because, when I put this stuff together I kept getting BSOD. I use Resplendence's "Who Crashed", and found out it was the memory. I set it at 1333 and no more bsod. As soon as I read your suggestion, set it back up and no problems so far.

    Good to hear you got that settled. now aim for 1866! haha
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    Here's an update to my memory situation. Yes, last night was fine, today, not so fine. After my post, played Darksiders for about 3 hrs. when I got up today, just to be safe, ran Prime 95 for a while. Sometime after an hour in, it locked up. Because of the age my monitor, (it was on MaximumPC's best of the best list at the time), I turn it off during testing. Because it didn't bsod, "Who Crashed" was of no help. I went ahead and ran MemTest for about 3 hrs with no errors. Went to restart, fans and led's only. I had to shut it off at the psu. when it started up, settings were back where they were before the adjustments. I should mention that my system in the uefi was in performance mode at the time, so I put it in normal mode, exited and it crashed . The memory was still at the adjusted settings when it happened. Final note, when P95 was running, I had HWM, CPUZ and GPUZ up as well and all looked normal at the time.

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