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    Default GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Guys,

    I've been reading the reviews of the GTX 1060, and am considering it for my Linux box (running a EVGA 760 FTW as I recall) 120 Watt TDP, and performance similar to a GTX 980 for ~$250.

    Downer is no hardware SLI support (Just DirectX 12 software SLI) but I have never yet run SLI, so that's not much of an issue for me.

    Anyone considering this card in a build (well, not necessarily the Reference card, but an EVGA or MSI, or ASUS or whatever)?

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Guys,

    I've been reading the reviews of the GTX 1060, and am considering it for my Linux box (running a EVGA 760 FTW as I recall) 120 Watt TDP, and performance similar to a GTX 980 for ~$250.

    Downer is no hardware SLI support (Just DirectX 12 software SLI) but I have never yet run SLI, so that's not much of an issue for me.

    Anyone considering this card in a build (well, not necessarily the Reference card, but an EVGA or MSI, or ASUS or whatever)?

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    You mentioned a Linux box. Wouldn't you be better off with the AMD card and the better Vulkan support? A guy I work with uses Linux and AMD seems to have better driver support, but you might wanna look it up to be sure.

    Outside of that, the 1060 is another great release from NVIDIA so I don't think you can go wrong on that level. Question for Ciar though, what GPU manufacturer do you think is the best? In motherboards we have ASUS in top quality, MSI in runner up and ASROCK as only viable budget option. How does that look for GPU boards?

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    You mentioned a Linux box. Wouldn't you be better off with the AMD card and the better Vulkan support? A guy I work with uses Linux and AMD seems to have better driver support, but you might wanna look it up to be sure.

    Outside of that, the 1060 is another great release from NVIDIA so I don't think you can go wrong on that level. Question for Ciar though, what GPU manufacturer do you think is the best? In motherboards we have ASUS in top quality, MSI in runner up and ASROCK as only viable budget option. How does that look for GPU boards?
    Honestly, it's a Linux box. Gaming on it (for me) is relatively lightweight, so the support (or lack thereof) of Vulkan is largely irrelevant, although I do like that AMD seems to do a better job with Linux than Nvidia.... Having said that I'm not a big fan (pun and understatement intended) of AMD's higher TDP's for generally speaking lower performance. The 480 is pretty nice, but (IMO) the only things it has going for it are lower price (slightly) and ummm...lower price. I'm having a hard time getting enthused for the Red team here. (Sorry).

    I'd likely stick with EVGA, probably the FTW or SSC : EVGA - Articles - EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 When they finally hit the streets.

    Thinking on it more, good point on Vulkan though. Worth looking into the games I play on Linux and see if there's any benefit. FWIW, Nividia can't let Vulkan support go unanswered for too long, especially since AMD is making Hay while the sun shines out of it.

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Honestly, it's a Linux box. Gaming on it (for me) is relatively lightweight, so the support (or lack thereof) of Vulkan is largely irrelevant, although I do like that AMD seems to do a better job with Linux than Nvidia.... Having said that I'm not a big fan (pun and understatement intended) of AMD's higher TDP's for generally speaking lower performance. The 480 is pretty nice, but (IMO) the only things it has going for it are lower price (slightly) and ummm...lower price. I'm having a hard time getting enthused for the Red team here. (Sorry).

    I'd likely stick with EVGA, probably the FTW or SSC : EVGA - Articles - EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 When they finally hit the streets.

    Thinking on it more, good point on Vulkan though. Worth looking into the games I play on Linux and see if there's any benefit. FWIW, Nividia can't let Vulkan support go unanswered for too long, especially since AMD is making Hay while the sun shines out of it.

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    Yeah, AMD isn't just performing better in Vulkan. It also still has a good advantage in Dx12 too. Granted, there's only about 4 titles right now, but if the trend of Dx12 adoption follow, AMD is going to be a free upgrade for performance. It's not official, but it seems that NVIDIA will only have better Dx12 performance with a serious architecture overhaul which won't happen in this series.

    That being said, it's not like NVIDIA's Dx12 performance is bad, but AMD does have a pretty clear advantage so far. If you aren't eyeing Dx12 titles though, you can't beat NVIDIA's Dx11 Performance.

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Linux. DX11 and 12 are irrelevant too...lol

    In truth, OpenGL and Vulkan are really the only important performance factors in Linux. So, really we come back to TDP vs Performance, and under Linux, I do believe Nvidia offers better performance/clock and /tdp than AMD does.

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Linux. DX11 and 12 are irrelevant too...lol

    In truth, OpenGL and Vulkan are really the only important performance factors in Linux. So, really we come back to TDP vs Performance, and under Linux, I do believe Nvidia offers better performance/clock and /tdp than AMD does.

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    It does, but remember that now, you're only looking at about a 30w TDP difference between the two cards. In America, that will equate to pennies in power savings by the end of a year. It's much more comparable than back in the old 290 days. Cost per performance, in theory, will favor the 1060 big time, but reviews never account for sales and actual sale prices. In my experience, even though the 1060 will retail for $249, it will probably actually sell for closer to $300 for quite some time. However, some RX 480 cards are already showing online pricing at $239 instead of $249. The 480 could still be the better cost to performance card in actual sale price in the end.

    The thing is, if you like NVIDIA though, you should probably go with the 1060 because that will be the card you're happy with. Personally, AMD has one me over with Crossfire performance, being smoother for me than SLI, and I like having Crossfire in my system. Hence, I'm happier with AMD most of the time. However, I really want a 1060 in my bench system right now! =D

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    Default Re: GTX 1060 -- Anyone considering?

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    It does, but remember that now, you're only looking at about a 30w TDP difference between the two cards. In America, that will equate to pennies in power savings by the end of a year. It's much more comparable than back in the old 290 days. Cost per performance, in theory, will favor the 1060 big time, but reviews never account for sales and actual sale prices. In my experience, even though the 1060 will retail for $249, it will probably actually sell for closer to $300 for quite some time. However, some RX 480 cards are already showing online pricing at $239 instead of $249. The 480 could still be the better cost to performance card in actual sale price in the end
    That will be the key right there. If AMD's cards come in a LOT lower than Nvidia over the next few months, then the balance will really be in their favor, at least on the Windows side of the equation. As for TDP, my concern certainly isn't operating cost (There are enough computers and gadgets running in my house to equip a small school or business), but rather heat/noise. Dark Matter was built to be as quiet as I could make it, and the 760 FTW ACX was about the quietest video card for it's performance available at my price point when I bought it. Now admittedly, I could (should) Water cool it for even better sound figures. Either way, the 1060 should be quieter and cooler even at OC Speeds as it's a 120 Watt Card (base spec) vs the 170 Watts (base spec) of a 760 (and who knows the TDP of the 760 FTW???)...

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    The thing is, if you like NVIDIA though, you should probably go with the 1060 because that will be the card you're happy with. Personally, AMD has one me over with Crossfire performance, being smoother for me than SLI, and I like having Crossfire in my system. Hence, I'm happier with AMD most of the time. However, I really want a 1060 in my bench system right now! =D
    Yeah, I hear ya. Frankly, I do like Nvidia better than AMD, but only because I've had better luck with them over the years. I'm not totally averse to an AMD solution, and frankly, I'd much prefer a 1070 or 1080 over a '60, but if I do that, it may be time to go ahead and build an X99 machine anyway...LOL

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    The only reason I wouldn't get the GTX1060 is the fact that there is NO SLI option, in case I wanted to add a bit of performance down the line the 1060 won't give you that option, Personally, if you are considering any GTX series card right now, I would get the 1070.

    however, since you mentioned no SLI is ok with you, then I would consider it over any of the AMD cards that are currently available.
    I recently sold my R9 290xs' thinking that I would upgrade my gaming system, but looks like I am going to probably wait it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solara2xb View Post
    The only reason I wouldn't get the GTX1060 is the fact that there is NO SLI option, in case I wanted to add a bit of performance down the line the 1060 won't give you that option, Personally, if you are considering any GTX series card right now, I would get the 1070.

    however, since you mentioned no SLI is ok with you, then I would consider it over any of the AMD cards that are currently available.
    I recently sold my R9 290xs' thinking that I would upgrade my gaming system, but looks like I am going to probably wait it out.
    What's your preference on card manufacturers? Asus seems top notch in almost everything and MSI has been good. I've heard good things about EVGA and I personally have loved my Sapphire cards. Thoughts, opinions, snide remarks...

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    The only reason I wouldn't get the GTX1060 is the fact that there is NO SLI option, in case I wanted to add a bit of performance down the line the 1060 won't give you that option, Personally, if you are considering any GTX series card right now, I would get the 1070.

    however, since you mentioned no SLI is ok with you, then I would consider it over any of the AMD cards that are currently available.
    I recently sold my R9 290xs' thinking that I would upgrade my gaming system, but looks like I am going to probably wait it out.
    Yeah, that's a real downer right there. I always think I'm gong to SLI someday, but I never do...AND we come back to the Linux thing. So far, the games on Linux (that I'm aware of) really wouldn't benefit from it anyay...although if Civ VI comes out for Linux, that might be an option...didn't I read someplace that it was getting some real benefits from Vulkan and DX12....that implies it's actually much more graphics heavy than I thought....

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    Yeah, that's a real downer right there. I always think I'm gong to SLI someday, but I never do...AND we come back to the Linux thing. So far, the games on Linux (that I'm aware of) really wouldn't benefit from it anyay...although if Civ VI comes out for Linux, that might be an option...didn't I read someplace that it was getting some real benefits from Vulkan and DX12....that implies it's actually much more graphics heavy than I thought....

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    The new Doom benefited hugely from Vulkan support and a RX 480. The new APIs are really looking good which is nice. One thing about SLI and Crossfire, these are driver specific profiles that have to be made by AMD and NVIDIA. The new multi-adapter support in Dx12 and Vulkan is something that the API itself supports, and developers need to program their games to. This gives the API direct access to both GPUs, negating the need of Crossfire and SLI. That's one reason why NVIDIA might be scrapping support on lower end models. It's something that could increasingly become unnecessary if the APIs take over the support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    The new Doom benefited hugely from Vulkan support and a RX 480. The new APIs are really looking good which is nice. One thing about SLI and Crossfire, these are driver specific profiles that have to be made by AMD and NVIDIA. The new multi-adapter support in Dx12 and Vulkan is something that the API itself supports, and developers need to program their games to. This gives the API direct access to both GPUs, negating the need of Crossfire and SLI. That's one reason why NVIDIA might be scrapping support on lower end models. It's something that could increasingly become unnecessary if the APIs take over the support.
    Yeah Tom's mentions driver based multi-gpu access via in their article here: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Review - Tom's Hardware They tested using Ashes of the Singularity, and got a ~50% frame rate increase with the driver based multi GPU access. That may just be the ticket in the future, especially if it handles mixed card configurations well (AMD/NVIDIA or various models from the same manufacturer, or even On-board + Add In). They also mention SLI over PCIe, I'm guessing that's the same thing by another name.

    It's an interesting conundrum. I don't need to upgrade any time soon, but there's a lot of food for thought. I think 1070s and 1080's are pretty overpriced for my needs, but the 1070 would seem to be just about perfect otherwise.

    If prices come down a bit, I can see adding one of these: 08G-P4-6276-KR - Newegg.com to my machine(s).

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    EVGA all the way for me. Their cards are top notch, and support is absolutely unrivaled.

    That said, ASUS and MSI make very nice cards, also. I happen to think the Twin Frozr is great, really quiet, cool and the tone of it is not invasive at all - better than EVGA's ACX coolers. With ASUS' recent foray into owls, I would pass based on looks alone. The problem with both of these is the comparative customer service. EVGA's customer service is ridiculously good, they have a step up program, give you personal attention when you have issues and turn repairs around like lightening, often giving you a new card (or even a model up if they are out of stock on your current) in cases where repairs would take longer than a couple of days. They value their customers and really let them know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    If prices come down a bit, I can see adding one of these: 08G-P4-6276-KR - Newegg.com to my machine(s).

    S.
    The 1070 FTW is a bada$$ card, especially if you are looking to overvolt. Even if you aren't....it is just awesome all around. As much as I want one, I am sticking with a SC since I have a block coming that won't work with the second power connector. If you aren't in a rush, I would definitely bet that card is $379 in several months, and the SC is down to $349.00, while the 1060 becomes a $229-249 card and a 1060 Ti released (I have no inside knowledge of this, it just makes perfect sense) at $299.

    I personally wouldn't buy an AMD these days (after years on Team Red). They have to grasp at oddities they excel in (rather than excelling in all gaming), and are always totally maxed straight from the factory with no headroom. Unless you are using only to run 3-4 synthetic benchmarks they do well in, or plan on only playing the 2-3 games they have slightly higher frame rates in, the 1060 is definitely the better choice.

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    EVGA all the way for me. Their cards are top notch, and support is absolutely unrivaled.

    That said, ASUS and MSI make very nice cards, also. I happen to think the Twin Frozr is great, really quiet, cool and the tone of it is not invasive at all - better than EVGA's ACX coolers. With ASUS' recent foray into owls, I would pass based on looks alone. The problem with both of these is the comparative customer service. EVGA's customer service is ridiculously good, they have a step up program, give you personal attention when you have issues and turn repairs around like lightening, often giving you a new card (or even a model up if they are out of stock on your current) in cases where repairs would take longer than a couple of days. They value their customers and really let them know it.



    The 1070 FTW is a bada$$ card, especially if you are looking to overvolt. Even if you aren't....it is just awesome all around. As much as I want one, I am sticking with a SC since I have a block coming that won't work with the second power connector. If you aren't in a rush, I would definitely bet that card is $379 in several months, and the SC is down to $349.00, while the 1060 becomes a $229-249 card and a 1060 Ti released (I have no inside knowledge of this, it just makes perfect sense) at $299.

    I personally wouldn't buy an AMD these days (after years on Team Red). They have to grasp at oddities they excel in (rather than excelling in all gaming), and are always totally maxed straight from the factory with no headroom. Unless you are using only to run 3-4 synthetic benchmarks they do well in, or plan on only playing the 2-3 games they have slightly higher frame rates in, the 1060 is definitely the better choice.
    What's your thoughts on SAPPHIRE and POWERCOLOR? Would MSI still be your top choice over them? You know, hypothetically speaking on AMD side.

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    What's your preference on card manufacturers? Asus seems top notch in almost everything and MSI has been good. I've heard good things about EVGA and I personally have loved my Sapphire cards. Thoughts, opinions, snide remarks...
    I hate ASUS branded GPUs. Everyone single one I have owned from ASUS has died or failed prematurely or right after warranty. MSI is good, for me personally, I don't buy anything other that EVGA for nVidia due to customer support and the design. I own 3 GTX 780 Classfieds, 2 GTX 780ti Superclocks. I also have a ref, design GTX 780 which I really like.

    For AMD, Sapphire is the brand I choose or XFX. I hate Powercolor, worst card and cooler I have owned for AMD cards. MSI is ok, but there earlier designs sucked for AMD. Now they are much better but I haven't used one since the 7xxx series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Yeah, that's a real downer right there. I always think I'm gong to SLI someday, but I never do...AND we come back to the Linux thing. So far, the games on Linux (that I'm aware of) really wouldn't benefit from it anyay...although if Civ VI comes out for Linux, that might be an option...didn't I read someplace that it was getting some real benefits from Vulkan and DX12....that implies it's actually much more graphics heavy than I thought....

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    In your case, it would make since for single card applications. But when I shop for cards, I always think of possible upgrade or adding performance. (for windows PC) of course. But both the RX480 and 1060 have there strong suits. I thought about getting the RX480 for my LanPC since I use a Nixeus 24" 144 Freesync monitor for gaming. But right now, I am sticking to green team for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    EVGA all the way for me. Their cards are top notch, and support is absolutely unrivaled.

    That said, ASUS and MSI make very nice cards, also. I happen to think the Twin Frozr is great, really quiet, cool and the tone of it is not invasive at all - better than EVGA's ACX coolers. With ASUS' recent foray into owls, I would pass based on looks alone. The problem with both of these is the comparative customer service. EVGA's customer service is ridiculously good, they have a step up program, give you personal attention when you have issues and turn repairs around like lightening, often giving you a new card (or even a model up if they are out of stock on your current) in cases where repairs would take longer than a couple of days. They value their customers and really let them know it.



    The 1070 FTW is a bada$$ card, especially if you are looking to overvolt. Even if you aren't....it is just awesome all around. As much as I want one, I am sticking with a SC since I have a block coming that won't work with the second power connector. If you aren't in a rush, I would definitely bet that card is $379 in several months, and the SC is down to $349.00, while the 1060 becomes a $229-249 card and a 1060 Ti released (I have no inside knowledge of this, it just makes perfect sense) at $299.

    I personally wouldn't buy an AMD these days (after years on Team Red). They have to grasp at oddities they excel in (rather than excelling in all gaming), and are always totally maxed straight from the factory with no headroom. Unless you are using only to run 3-4 synthetic benchmarks they do well in, or plan on only playing the 2-3 games they have slightly higher frame rates in, the 1060 is definitely the better choice.
    George said it best here, with the except of selecting ASUS, I refuse to buy another ASUS GPU. Poor Customer support and lousy QA on the GPU Side.
    EVGA for nVidia cards, Sapphire or XFX for me on AMD cards.

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