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    Default AMD is Coming Back, Hopefully in a Big Way

    About a month ago, I wrote a piece titled, “The Story of Steamroller, CPU Benchmark, and FX.” Amidst the disappointment that Steamroller wasn’t coming to the FX line up, I postulated that the performance wasn’t adding up to a quality product and that AMD was going to completely overhaul their high end to be relevant again. Now, in a couple of releases from AMD, it sounds like that is exactly what is happening and AMD fans have something to look forward to again in the high end CPU market. The first bit of news that is showing this overhaul process is AMD’s decision to go back to SMT architecture from their current CMT architecture. Without going into too much detail, CMT was AMD’s own Multi-threading architecture designed to rival the more traditional SMT architecture that IBM introduced back in the 1970s. Unfortunately, as proven by Bulldozer, Piledriver and even Steamroller, this design isn’t living up to potential. Even though AMD has come out with some decent Multi-Thread performance, their single core has significantly lagged behind and even their decent performance hasn’t been enough to to stay in step with Intel’s high end. While AMD did manage to boast the first factory clocked 5 GHz CPU, the power and performance didn’t merit even the reduced cost of owning one after the price drops. That news would be interesting enough, but when Jim Keller, AMD’s top chip architect, says that they’re working on a new high-end chip that will replace their current offerings, that’s when things really heat up. Working on a new chip might be an understatement. More specifically, this new architecture is being “built from scratch.” This is huge news for the CPU market! This means that the only thing AMD has to compare to is Intel. With a completely new design, they can’t simply improve on the previous generation (Bulldozer to Piledriver ringing any bells?) and say that they’ve had a successful release because of a 15%-20% increase in performance. I believe Keller is eyeing Intel’s chips as the only base by which to compare new designs, which should turn into exciting releases next year. Unfortunately, there isn’t any word about code names or numbers yet. Even still, the news that’s coming out sounds like AMD is headed in a very good direction. If AMD can start closing the gap on Intel in a big way, then many of us poor hardware enthusiasts will have some affordable performance coming our way and that’s something I really look forward to. http://www.pureoverclock.com/2014/03...chmark-and-fx/ http://wccftech.com/amds-high-perfor...-architecture/ http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-dev...-architecture/  

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    nice article. Thanks Josh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    nice article. Thanks Josh!
    Thanks for the news Josh.

    This is good news if it works well. I'll buy it just to keep AMD alive.
    At the very least, if it has very good performance it will cause Intel to lower prices on their stock. (maybe make them let go of some of the brand new stuff that they're holding back too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    Thanks for the news Josh.

    This is good news if it works well. I'll buy it just to keep AMD alive.
    At the very least, if it has very good performance it will cause Intel to lower prices on their stock. (maybe make them let go of some of the brand new stuff that they're holding back too)

    You need to read this to get a full grasp of what AMD is really up to. This article just nips the surface. You mind will explode reading this.

    AMD realigns two-year plan around 'ambidextrous computing' | ZDNet
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    X86 and ARM together on one silicon? Yeah, I get that it will be groundbreaking. I wonder how it will apply to people like us?

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    Not on same silicon yet. But the board, chipset and socket can accept x86 and ARM. Swappable! Starting with low power devices, then servers then desktop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Not on same silicon yet. But the board, chipset and socket can accept x86 and ARM. Swappable! Starting with low power devices, then servers then desktop.
    Their road-map has both on the same silicone in 2016. The key point is the single core redesign and improvement. Making a better core means that the whole AMD CPU experience will vastly improve.
    Imagine an Eight-Core desktop CPU that has significantly faster cores within it. Making it all work with an improved memory interface and DDR4 RAM is key.

    I would love to see them succeed.

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    I'm pretty excited about everything going on here. I'm glad you guys liked the news!
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    Default Re: AMD is Coming Back, Hopefully in a Big Way

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    Their road-map has both on the same silicone in 2016. The key point is the single core redesign and improvement. Making a better core means that the whole AMD CPU experience will vastly improve.
    Imagine an Eight-Core desktop CPU that has significantly faster cores within it. Making it all work with an improved memory interface and DDR4 RAM is key.

    I would love to see them succeed.
    The road map shows them together to signify the ambidextrous approach. They are NOT on the same silicon. "Su touted that this is the first time that x86 and ARM SoCs have been put together in a way that they are "pin-compatible," meaning a motherboard that runs both. Skybridge will also produce AMD's first ARM-based chips supporting Android." Pin-compatible is key word. I read the longer transcript too. Yeah Im a nerd! There was also a longer quote where they discussed building a base system and shipping them with the APU/CPU the customer required for their particular need. Then discussed being able to swap if you needs changed without buying a new system. Same Chipset, same socket same board swappable between X86 and ARM.

    "In 2016 AMD will release its first custom 64-bit ARMv8 CPU core, codenamed K12. Jim Keller is leading the team that is designing the K12, as well as a corresponding new 64-bit x86 design."


    Now In the future I do not doubt that will happen. Technically they already have it in the current X86 Opteron. There is an ARM based security controller on it.

    Now the part of the redesign is true and something I mentioned on here multiple times. Module design is dead. Going back to basics. The guy who designed Athlon 64 and other successful AMD cpus is back and designing the new X86 and ARM cores. Good things are coming!!! With the time line they are looking at DDR4 is the minimum they can design it to. If 2 years from now they release a new flagship product with DDR3 support Im tossing in the damn towel!! haha
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