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    did i miss something or..
    pci-e was developed to have better bandwidth right?
    how come the same bleeding-edge card can run on pci-e and on agp?
    if there's loss in performance because of agp then why develop that kind of card.
    if not, why develop pci-e?

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    Its not as fast from what I can see.

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    I thought the x1950 had a 2GHz clock?
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    This is the X1950 Pro, its a new card that came out last week on PCI-e and now on AGP, it's not as fast as an X1950 XT and only hs 36 shaders (XT has 48).

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    Just as i was going to get a 7600GT, they bring this out.

    This could mean that nvidia will maybe bring out a 8 series AGP product to compete. And does anyone know when the 8 series will come out. Cause it might be worth holding of my 7600GT and waiting.

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    middle of November, i have no idea about AGP stuff though, i suppose it's quite possible a mid-range 8 series card could turn up on AGP oneday.

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    makes me wonder will technology cary AGP into DX10??

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    i think it's highly unlikely AGP owners will get any high end DX10 hardware, mainly because the past year shows otherwise. I still think it's possible an 8600 type card will show up on AGP but not at launch.

    If i happen to find out anything about AGP i'll be sure to let you know.

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    To answer someones earlier question. AGP is quite capable of maxxing out every modern day card. I was told that the reason the manufacturers wanted PCI-E was because it was cheaper to manufacture for some reason.

    Thats heresay and maybe Jameson can enlighten us to the whole spectrum.

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    i don't really know a great deal about the major difference between the two, AGP 8x offers 2.0GB/s of bandwidth while PCI-e 16x offers 8GB/s full duplex bandwidth. Whether any current GPU requires more than 2GB/s to talk to the CPU is an unknown (SLI/CF most certainly though).

    I think its quite possible that G80/R600 along with a meaty CPU may come close to the AGP 8x limitation, who can really say, i've never once had any incline as to how much b/w is used from anyone but it's an interesting question and one I'll follow up on.

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    Interesting.

    Looking at the stats this card is probably going to be running equal to the old Gainward BLISS 7800GS+ (depending on overclocking), in fact I think the 7800GS+ is still going to be the more powerful AGP card.

    Reason?
    Well with Volt mods on the 7800GS+ I have seen memory clocks of 1600MHz + and the possibility of taking the core beyond 650MHz. Add the 512mb of ram.

    Both at stock levels there going to be evenly matched, we will probably see the current stand off between ATI and NV in these APG cards (ATI = higher picture quality, NV = slightly faster).
    Then again from what James said about it, the X1950 will use less power than an overclocked 7800GS+ and I have read else where that the X1950 will use some type of AGP bus translation to further increase bandwidth?

    Time will tell.
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    yeah i'm sure the 7800+ is faster, but the main issue is Gainward's limited quantity of those cards. I have a feeling the 7800+ will soon be forgotten (outside the UK mainly) simply because most of the world can't buy one even if they want to.

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    I'm interested in upgrading my video card with this when it comes out, but i want to make sure my system won't bottleneck it before i waste my money. I currently have a BFG 6800GT OC (that's not overclocked) and it really doesn't cut the mustard anymore for the newer games. If anyone can tell me with any kind of certainty if my system can handle it I would greatly appreciate it.

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    i think a 3.0 GHz P4 will be pretty good for making use of the extra omph, a few people have bought 7900 GT's for AGP with systems like yours and were happy, but as i've not used an agp system for a long time this is still all hear say.

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    Currently I am running an Asus Radeon 9800 XT card. I also have a p4 3.0 with HT, and 2 gig of RAM.

    I am curious if it would be worth upgrading from my current video card. I know it's an older card but do the new ones really outperfrom it enough to warrant a new card? I do not want to put too much money into this system, but if I can add a card and get a year or two out of it I would be thrilled. (I play dark age of camelot and the system does not seem to cut it as well as it used to since the new expansion).

    Any comments on possible performance change with a new vid card would be appreciated.

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    the 9800XT is similar in performance to the 6600 GT. Try this link and the various game benchmarks there: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphi...=540&chart=196

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