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    Default Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    All in all, this may not much of anything Ė users spending thousands on processors should be making sure that the motherboards they buy have the processor they want listed in the QVL (Qualified Vendorís List). My concern might be users thinking they can drop a Haswell-EP Xeon into an Ivy Bridge-E, and then trying to force it when it might not fit. Back in previous eras (socket 775 comes to mind) this was an even bigger issue Ė the processors might fit, but the processors that a motherboard could take was determined by the chipset used by the motherboard manufacturer and the QVL. At least this way the CPUs will not physically fit, but it is something that confuses the situation Ė it might be worth doing some clever renaming (LGA2011-EX, LGA2011-H), at least from an editorial point of view for the future


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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    Well that sucks... why would you make that many variants on a chip anyhow? That makes the process of properly selecting your hardware super tedious. I mean I get that it would just take a bit more research on the part of the purchaser, but it shouldn't be this confusing in this day and age where plug-and-play is key to ensuring happy customers of all usage levels. Never mind the fact that this can limit personal choice: what happens when you want a specific motherboard, but the chip you want to use won't properly work on the board you selected and the boards that you CAN use just don't quite fit your needs?

    Maybe it's just me... but that's dumb as hell.

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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgutierrez33 View Post
    Well that sucks... why would you make that many variants on a chip anyhow? That makes the process of properly selecting your hardware super tedious. I mean I get that it would just take a bit more research on the part of the purchaser, but it shouldn't be this confusing in this day and age where plug-and-play is key to ensuring happy customers of all usage levels. Never mind the fact that this can limit personal choice: what happens when you want a specific motherboard, but the chip you want to use won't properly work on the board you selected and the boards that you CAN use just don't quite fit your needs?

    Maybe it's just me... but that's dumb as hell.

    Unlike AMD it is actually smart on their part incompatibility makes you spend more money

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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    LOL Yeah I'll admit that's true in terms of their bottom line, it's just kind of dick to do that to consumers. Makes more work for their board partners too since now they have to take more of their resources (admittedly probably not much, but still) to make that many more boards for all those different sockets and board chips for what SHOULD be the same damn platform x-)

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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgutierrez33 View Post
    LOL Yeah I'll admit that's true in terms of their bottom line, it's just kind of dick to do that to consumers. Makes more work for their board partners too since now they have to take more of their resources (admittedly probably not much, but still) to make that many more boards for all those different sockets and board chips for what SHOULD be the same damn platform x-)
    I totally Agree!! I often think why did I ever stop using AMD and will probably end up using AMD again
    and not just for my test bench, but also as my main rig

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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    Intel doesn't about anything or anyone other than itself and its bottom line. Their CPU's are unquestionably better than AMD's at the top end, but cost a lot more too and Intel as a company is complete ****. I'll stick with my FX-8350. It does the job just fine, didn't cost me that much, and I'm not supporting a monster.
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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    See I was thinking about trying to use an AMD board for my test bench, but the results seem so skewed in favor of utilizing Intel test bench systems at the moment. I mean regardless of the system base, if one product performs better than another it will still show in the test numbers but it can be a bit misleading if performance is off of what is advertised. Granted I always tell people when I test on my AMD system that their mileage may vary... and I guess that's really the same thing when testing on an Intel system...

    ... I think I just convinced myself to keep my RMA'd UD3 when it gets back in lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinman View Post
    I totally Agree!! I often think why did I ever stop using AMD and will probably end up using AMD again
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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    Quote Originally Posted by SamCR3 View Post
    You stopped because you allowed the evil Doctors Death (Stan and Jim) to convert you.
    Sam yes your probably right

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    Default Re: Intelís Three Versions of Socket 2011, Not Compatible

    LOL well when people start talking up Intel it's easy to follow thew allure of their chips. They are equipped with very strong single threaded performance, sip less power at stock than AMD chips, and don't even really need to be overclocked (this is from a home user's perspective)

    AMD, on the other hand, might use a bit more power but that only really matters if you live in a region of the world where the tariff on power is stupidly high. They are also great fun to overclock and in highly threaded application they perform exceptionally well for their price bracket. There's also the robust nature of the chips: every single Intel system I have ever worked on always felt more like a scalpel than anything else, providing smooth, high precision computation at the cost of a more robust architecture. AMD systems have always felt like a bastard sword: nimble when it needs to be, but when you start pushing them they can deliver way more power than you really expected. Plus it's not even like you can claim that there's a better processor than the other for cool operation anymore: all of Intel's chips are cramming so much power into such a small space that the chips can't effectively dissipate their heat under heavy load without a pretty "extreme" cooling solution (I say that with quotes because to many watercooling IS extreme).

    Either way you can't go wrong... but I do kind of gravitate towards AMD more than Intel myself, so my assessment of the situation might be a little loaded.

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    The only real drawback at this point is AMD's chipsets and corresponding motherboards are way outdated. Other than that, I'm very happy with my bastard sword CPU's (I like that analogy a lot by the way). Everyone should be able to tell by my main system specs and signature line I'm a huge AMD fan. I don't have to have the absolute best, but I do want the best bang for my buck. I think that is where AMD shines.
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    I like the idea of a socket number (or identifier) being the measure of compatability. Socket 2011 should only have one plug style and that's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    I like the idea of a socket number (or identifier) being the measure of compatability. Socket 2011 should only have one plug style and that's that.
    Agreed! I'm not that bright so I not only like but need simple.
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    Yeah, need simple too,.....LOL!

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    Really though it's not even a question of it being simple or complicated: they call it a "standard" for a reason, and Intel doing what they are doing they may as well just call them different standards entirely. At the very least that would make it more clear than "Socket 2011-but-only-for-these-chips-so-f***-you-if-you-wanted-this-board-with-that-chip-lol". Like add a suffix in at the end of the socket number to denote that it is meant for specific chips: like 2011a, 2011c, etc. That way at the very least the enterprise and professional productivity consumers will know to look specifically for that VERSION of 2011 for their application rather than having to play head librarian and perform more research than is really needed for the application in mind.

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    Everyone's dancing to their tune,............

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