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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    @realneil, that is what made me look at the SkyLake boards ,the new features.But I will hold off now that I know the Kingston
    Hyper X Predator PCIe 240gb will work with my board. That should hold me over till Intel's cannonlake or amd's zen comes out
    in2016..Also waiting on Nvidia's Pascal !!

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    I like the Intel 400GB PCI-E drive. It's extremely fast and it's color works with the MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION motherboard that I want.

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    Oh yeah,it's fast as hell ! But I will settle for the Hyper X Predator PCIe 240gb only because I can use it on my current board .
    And the Intel 400gb PCI-E is priced right .

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    Quote Originally Posted by charles64 View Post
    @joshjaks, Thank you for your feedback .Yeah,on the Asus z87 Pro, I can't go go no higher than 4.4
    no matter what I do . Some say try the MSI z87 Gaming 5 to go higher. But not worth changing onez87 board
    to another one.Saving my money as well ,maybe 2016 will have better products to get
    The way Haswell works, the voltage regulator is built into the chip. So usually, changing the board won't do much of anything because it all has to do with how well your chip is binned. Now with the Z170 and skylake, Intel gave voltage regulation back to the board partners so it actually matters more to get a good board again, at least for overclocking.

    Also, just to add to the XPoint storage from Intel, it's not just the interface. The actual technology they use is quite a bit faster than Solid state Nand technology currently. Here's a couple bullet points...

    • The Optane SSD was able to achieve 7.2x times more IOPS at low queue depth and upto 5.21 times the IOPs of conventional SSDs at high queue depths.
    • An Optane Technology based SSD has 10x times the density of conventional SSD drives.
    • The marketing material also claims it is 1000x faster than the competition available on the market but it isn’t clear to what exactly they are referring to – a good guess would be latency, as opposed to bandwidth.
    • Optane SSDs will have 1000x the endurance – which, if true, should mean the device has virtually unlimited life span for practical purposes.



    Read more: Intel Reveals Optane Technology Brand, '3D XPoint' Based SSDs Coming in 2016 - Upto 7.2x Times The IOPs Performance of Conventional SSDs
    If this stuff turns out to be true, you'll need a PCIe device just to handle the bandwidth, but the Z170 chipset has the M.2 and sata express slots tied into the CPU with PCIe 3.0 lanes, a huge upgrade from the previous chipsets. Plus, you won't have to use your PCI slots, not that that's a huge deal or anything.

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    I like the Intel 400GB PCI-E drive. It's extremely fast and it's color works with the MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION motherboard that I want.
    Who doesn't want that board!

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    I think that I may get this before I finish the X99 build. (I want it that much)
    BTW: your pic is missing something.

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    This goes on the top/right corner and provides a lot of easy access to tweaking the board.

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    Yes it is good to see that they moved the voltage regulator back to the board.It was just extra luggage and heat for Haswell cpus. So Skylake cpu's are going to run much cooler
    than Haswell .And they seem to OC way better. All the 6600K 's I have read about are all 4.6-4.7ghz... Someone on Twitter got his to a stable 4.9ghz and some what stable 5.0ghz .Man, now you got me thinking about going to skylake haha

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    LOL!

    Upgrade,......that's what we do,............

    I want the i7-6700K and not the i5-6600K. I wonder when the Skylake Extreme 6-core will be out?

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    true ..but I have to follow the budget..bills aren't going to pay themselves ..

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    Quote Originally Posted by charles64 View Post
    true ..but I have to follow the budget..bills aren't going to pay themselves ..
    I think that as far as budget boards are concerned, the MSI Z170A Gaming 5 looks like a perfect fit for overclocking and price. I want to upgrade but I don't think I'll have the funds. That xpower one runs around $400 I think.

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    Default Re: Haswell 4770K --Skylake 6600K worth the upgrade ?

    @joshjacks

    I dunno Josh. That's cool vaporware type tech, but the numbers they're throwing around in the press release, and the description of xPoint leave me grasping for more knowledge.

    A New Way to Store Data Invented by Intel and Micron Could Speed Up Computers | MIT Technology Review "was only about seven times as fast as a top-of-the-range flash disk drive available today." What does that mean anyway? 7 times faster than AHCI SSD's? PCIe SSD's? What? (Further digging indicates faster than SATA SSD's), which would still indicate that current demo hardware is what, 2.5 times faster than PCIe NVMe drives...pretty nice...

    The ETA seems to be a bit vague for production units (~2016) (in what interface?), and if the X25-E SSD is any example, when Intel introduces "disruptive" technologies, the pricing is crazy. And if it requires new chipset features, connectors and standards...it could be some time before it hits the market. Look at the slow roll on PCIe connected SSD's we've seen.

    From another article: (Intel Shows First 3D XPoint SSD, the Optane - Softpedia)
    "Apparently, the Optane solid-state drive is based on the 3D XPoint non-volatile memory that gets its own advanced memory controller, interface hardware and software IP. Right now there isn't any sort of physical interface that can fully use the new 3D XPoint at its greatest potential since modern PCI Express 3.0 and modern PCIe NVMe will only offer limited improvements over present-day NAND flash."

    Good news though, is that it's both Micron and Intel, which means that it's possible that Micron & Intel will push this out there (along with new chipsets) quickly and for a relatively low price to try to push Samsung down a bit.

    I'd still recommend grabbing a Z170 these days and planning for PCIe NVMe drives to be mainstream for a year or two.

    I love this stuff though. Performance AND endurance. Go Intel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    I think that as far as budget boards are concerned, the MSI Z170A Gaming 5 looks like a perfect fit for overclocking and price. I want to upgrade but I don't think I'll have the funds. That xpower one runs around $400 I think.
    The MSI Z170A X-Power Gaming Titanium Edition is 300 bucks at Newegg. For all of the features it has, it's worth it to me.
    I already have two 32GB DDR4-3000 kits on hand, so I don't need to buy any memory for it. My X99 build will just have to make do with 32GB of RAM instead of 64GB.

    I'll probably sell my three R9-280X OC GPUs and my two 4GB EVGA GTX-760 ACX cards to help pay it down a little. I'll keep the four R9-290X cards and the GTX-980.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    The MSI Z170A X-Power Gaming Titanium Edition is 300 bucks at Newegg. For all of the features it has, it's worth it to me.
    I already have two 32GB DDR4-3000 kits on hand, so I don't need to buy any memory for it. My X99 build will just have to make do with 32GB of RAM instead of 64GB.

    I'll probably sell my three R9-280X OC GPUs and my two 4GB EVGA GTX-760 ACX cards to help pay it down a little. I'll keep the four R9-290X cards and the GTX-980.
    I'd say at $300, it's an absolute steal. $300 is just too much for me, but is it worth that money, Heck yeah!!!

    @Gu3 Those are some interesting tidbits you added there. I guess we'll find out when the XPoint actually releases, but it's always good to wait for the reviews anyways before jumping into a new technology. Hopefully the performance actually translates to real world application and isn't just hype.

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    I think that the performance offered now is good enough for me to jump.
    Having full overclocking control again will be good for me,...........(base clock adjustments beyond a few ticks, up or down) and as you said, voltage control improvements.
    Cooler CPUs and more control never hurt anyone and I want to play.

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