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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    In a different galaxy.....and in DOS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    My biggest reason for wanting Zen to be good is because AMD still solders their lids on, rather then that cheap paste crap INTEL uses.
    Well......if you make a chip that can't actually handle any heat, it would kind of stand to reason that you wouldn't change the solder. All of your CPUs would come back in droves by way of RMA. That is a piece of self-preservation more than anything else. Mind you, I'm not defending Intel for going to paste - I hate that they did that.

    Quote Originally Posted by joshjaks View Post
    Second biggest one is that 6700K being over $400 on Newegg. That price is just way too jacked up for my tastes and it really disappoints me.

    On a side not, I'm going to be working a 9590 review soon with a Crosshair V Formula Z and a great Cooling set up for it. Overclocking it for fun. The cooling is a surprise though so keep an eye on the site. Oh, and it will be the second of two AIO reviews.
    The fact is, you don't need to drop anywhere near that amount of cash to have an Intel faster than an AMD with more features in the chipset. You don't even need to go Skylake. Arguably, you don't even need to go Haswell..... I'm sure there are some great deals on Sandy Bridge setups out there.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Yeah. I'm thinking even an i3 can keep up with the vast majority of AMD chips. And this is certainly a sad situation. I have many fond memories of K6 Chips. <sigh> These days I'd be hard pressed to recommend an AMD chip. Sorry AMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    Yeah. I'm thinking even an i3 can keep up with the vast majority of AMD chips. And this is certainly a sad situation. I have many fond memories of K6 Chips. <sigh> These days I'd be hard pressed to recommend an AMD chip. Sorry AMD.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    The X99 Platform (i7-5820K) has more PCI-E lanes, and for what you're doing, that's the one for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    In fact, games are my fourth or fifth priority. I do not intend to use CAD programs, but I use it for home video processing (for myself personally and my family). I'll use it also for college (programming), virtual machines (for Linux and XP), and all the other standard stuff. My goal is long-term all-around configuration with generous multitasking capabilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    The X99 Platform (i7-5820K) has more PCI-E lanes, and for what you're doing, that's the one for you.
    I'm not seeing the reasoning behind this, but I freely admit to not being as in tune with PCIe lanes as I should be. It doesn't seem that any of his uses would benefit from more PCIe lanes. Video processing would likely benefit from the extra threads, but not greatly and at a great cost difference. How do you feel the extra PCIe lanes will benefit him?

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    PCI-E storage is much faster at transferring/crunching DATA. This is if you have the PCI-E bandwidth to process said DATA.

    Six Cores combined with much better PCI-E bandwidth is better for his usage.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    PCI-E storage is much faster at transferring/crunching DATA.
    So, I should think about something like hyper-x predator ssd? It's bit on the expensive side.
    Last edited by Skyline; 12-02-2016 at 12:17.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Yes, and Intel has some models to choose from.

    My X99 box isn't built yet, (getting close) but I have two GTX-980Ti GPUs to go into it, one Crucial 500GB M.2 drive for it, two Hyper-X Savage 480GB SATA drives for RAID, and I'm ordering an Intel 400GB PCI-E drive.
    Even with two GTX-980Ti drives and the Intel 750 Series PCI-E drive installed, you will never come close to saturating all of your X-99 PCI-E bandwidth.
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    Thanks, but this is way out my league. First, I'm not in a position to buy online, will make my purchase at local shops. Most of them could probably order & import one sample, but I would have a higher price because of the duties (customs) and taxes-approx. 380usd. And atm I could buy 850 pro 256gb for only 170usd. Maybe, but just maybe I could stretch for two & put them in RAID0, I suppose write would be similar but the read would be slower. And the larger MTBF also.

    Hyper-x predator 240gb could fit for 280usd.

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    The Skylake part that you're looking at will not be supported for much longer by Microsoft if you happen to have Windows-7 installed. (part of their push to get all of us onto Win-10)
    This is not a problem with X99 based systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    Thanks, but this is way out my league. First, I'm not in a position to buy online, will make my purchase at local shops. Most of them could probably order & import one sample, but I would have a higher price because of the duties (customs) and taxes-approx. 380usd. And atm I could buy 850 pro 256gb for only 170usd. Maybe, but just maybe I could stretch for two & put them in RAID0, I suppose write would be similar but the read would be slower. And the larger MTBF also.

    Hyper-x predator 240gb could fit for 280usd.
    Hyper-x predator 240gb would be fine.

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    I'm still confused. Every article I have read states that SLI plus two PCIe SSDs runs at full capacity on Z97 and Z170, and that you need to go beyond that for any difference in storage.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    I wonder. ... I'd have to do some math (this is not a good thing), but as Ciaraltano says, I'm thinking Z170 would handle SLI and two PCI-E SSD's fine, but I'm not sure about Z97....good observation. Let me do some digging though.

    *** Edit ***

    It looks like Z97 _could_ support 2x M2 Slots with enough PCI-E lanes (barely), but that presumes that no other PCI-E lanes are used for USB 3.1 or other features, and that the MB Vendor populated two M2 connectors, OR you used an X16/X8/X4 slot with an add in card. If you were using SLI/Crossfire, it seems unlikely that you'd do so though.

    Z170 has PCI-E 3.0 and DMI-3 and 20 Extra Chipset provided PCI-E lanes, so it would seem to be the better chipset to throw some NVME M.2 SSD's at. Unless Skyline was rolling in stacks of greenbacks, I'd think a Z170 would be the best option....X99 is nice, but even disregarding the DDR-4 (since both X99 and Z170 use it), the X99 would seem to have a higher entry cost, for no real benefit, and perhaps a bit less futureproofing.

    On re-reading Skyline's initial set of requirements/posts, I think I'd go with the 6700K on a Z170. Yeah, there are a couple more cores/threads on the other processor, but I'm thinking the cost/benefit of the I7-6700K/Z170 exceeds that of the i7-5820/X99. Thermals and Power draw are significantly higher, the X99 MB's seem a bit steeply priced...for lower clock speed and a few extra cores/threads. It's a tough call though.

    For me, I'd go with the 6700K, a mid-range Z170 Board, and spend my extra $$$ on a nice NVME SSD...but we all know I'm biased...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gu3 View Post
    I wonder. ... I'd have to do some math (this is not a good thing), but as Ciaraltano says, I'm thinking Z170 would handle SLI and two PCI-E SSD's fine, but I'm not sure about Z97....good observation. Let me do some digging though.

    *** Edit ***

    It looks like Z97 _could_ support 2x M2 Slots with enough PCI-E lanes (barely), but that presumes that no other PCI-E lanes are used for USB 3.1 or other features, and that the MB Vendor populated two M2 connectors, OR you used an X16/X8/X4 slot with an add in card. If you were using SLI/Crossfire, it seems unlikely that you'd do so though.

    Z170 has PCI-E 3.0 and DMI-3 and 20 Extra Chipset provided PCI-E lanes, so it would seem to be the better chipset to throw some NVME M.2 SSD's at. Unless Skyline was rolling in stacks of greenbacks, I'd think a Z170 would be the best option....X99 is nice, but even disregarding the DDR-4 (since both X99 and Z170 use it), the X99 would seem to have a higher entry cost, for no real benefit, and perhaps a bit less futureproofing.

    On re-reading Skyline's initial set of requirements/posts, I think I'd go with the 6700K on a Z170. Yeah, there are a couple more cores/threads on the other processor, but I'm thinking the cost/benefit of the I7-6700K/Z170 exceeds that of the i7-5820/X99. Thermals and Power draw are significantly higher, the X99 MB's seem a bit steeply priced...for lower clock speed and a few extra cores/threads. It's a tough call though.

    For me, I'd go with the 6700K, a mid-range Z170 Board, and spend my extra $$$ on a nice NVME SSD...but we all know I'm biased...lol

    S.
    Exactly my feelings. Plus of am very much of the mindset that the better per thread performance of the Skylake will greatly outweigh the benefit of the extra cores in everyday usage - and that is regardless of cost.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    PCI-E storage is much faster at transferring/crunching DATA.
    Did some research & I've found Samsung 950 Pro for 220usd, this is a good price so I'll give this serious consideration.

    His bigger brother is 410(!).

    Also found good deal - Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR4 2133 48 gigs 4 360.

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