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    Kinda help choosing next cpu...

    What would you rather buy:

    i7-6700k core or core i7-5820k, if the first cost 510 usd and another 530 usd, the ram for the first 2x16gb 335 usd, a ram for a second 4x8gb 275 usd?

    I watched descriptions of 6700k and 5960x on hothardware.com I was surprised with a big difference in power consumption, especially small destop power consumption for 6700k. I guess 5820k is somewhere between.
    I was intrigued by the description in the local newspaper:

    SVET KOMPJUTERA - TEST DRIVE - Intel Core i7-5960X/i7-5820K (Haswell-E) i Gigabyte GA-X99-SOC Force

    "5820K is the weakest model from the series, but we believe it will be most interesting to a wider audience, primarily because it is more than half as expensive than the most powerful models. When this is much stronger than the strongest LGA 1150 i7 4790K model of which is not too expensive.

    A new series of processors Intel was first offered performance server solutions in the classical desktop configuration, which will be users who are professionally engaged in processing of photos, video materials and other jobs that require brute processing power know how to use it. In this regard 5960X is the undisputed champion, but the four-digit price many to deny its use for pleasure. On the other hand, the 5820K is much better and reasonably slower compared to him, but the strength of its six cores to many, be enough even for professional use. Ultra-demanding gamers and "home enthusiasts" this processor will represent a real Eldorado when the price-performance ratio is concerned.

    SVET KOMPJUTERA - TEST DRIVE - Intel (Skylake) Core i7-6700K i Core i5-6400; Asus Z170-P i Z170-A, MSI Z170A Gaming M7, Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming G1

    " However, before you begin to look forward to if you save for an inexpensive upgrade machines with overclocking in mind, we should bear in mind that Intel has not suddenly become generous, but has devised a new way to compel that future owners still "open" for more CPU models. First of all, compared to Haswell generation, Skylake took a step backwards in terms of power. The FIVR (Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator), and the main part of the power section, which is the previous generation was integrated into a single chip, now restored to the system board. The reasons for this move are not listed, but we assume that it is a generally bad impression that this solution left. Due to the integrated power sections, Haswell processors are immediately became known as "furnace", and overclocking potential of their decreased because in addition to heating depended on the quality FIVR work on a single instance of the processor. For this reason, and because the 14-nanometer manufacturing process, the idea of ​​such a solution at Skylake job generation and voltage control is again returned to the motherboard. No matter how old-new solution would be better, for end users it means that the quality of the motherboard, and its power section largely affect achievements in overclocking.

    As with every innovation, so it is quite an expensive Z170. The fact is that the simplest models cost significantly more compared to its capabilities. From the standpoint of pure CPU power, the better the results are noticeable to some extent. That contributes more to the number of megahertz, which is the new processors has grown, rather than just improving the architecture that is credited to a lesser extent, for better performance.

    However, the eventual upgrade to the new platform would be the most affected the additional capabilities of new technologies that are implemented in it. This applies in particular to storage devices, as well as the quick connection of peripherals. A good part of the possibilities Skylake platform will only be used and currently there are not many devices that can do it, but the platform is certainly a pledge for the future. "

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    It depends on your budget, but I would go for 5820k (6 cores / 12 threads) instead of 6700K (4 cores / 8 threads).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    It depends on your budget, but I would go for 5820k (6 cores / 12 threads) instead of 6700K (4 cores / 8 threads).
    It also depends on your usage. The 6700K is faster per thread. Anything using eight threads or less (aka....almost everything) will be faster on the 6700K. But, if you are doing CAD work, video editing, etc (the things that the X chips were specifically made for), the 5820K is going to be a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    It also depends on your usage. The 6700K is faster per thread. Anything using eight threads or less (aka....almost everything) will be faster on the 6700K. But, if you are doing CAD work, video editing, etc (the things that the X chips were specifically made for), the 5820K is going to be a better choice.
    You're absolutely right if the OP will use the PC just for gaming, but even in that case I think the better choice should be the 4690k instead of 6700k, the final result would be very similar to 6700k with much cheaper platform, but if he plan to use the PC for other works too (as you said: Video - Audio encoding / decoding, heavy cad works... or even use the SLI), the best choice would be the 5820k (more cores / threads, more PCIe lines: 28 vs 16).

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    Ah, I'd wait for ZEN to come out, mainly in hopes that pricing will go down a bit. If Zen competes, great: if not, well you didn't loose anything anyways.

    That being said, INTEL is going to introduce eDram to the L3 caches of their chips, I believe sometime this year. That could offer some interesting performance increases since it works similar to HBM/HBM2. I feel like Skylake is just far too overpriced so I would be looking at the 5820K simply because you will never notice any single thread performance difference in real usage, but like Smiki said, you have the extra cores/threads and PCIe lanes.

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    In fact, games are my fourth or fifth priority. I do not intend to use CAD programs, but I use it for home video processing (for myself personally and my family). I'll use it also for college (programming), virtual machines (for Linux and XP), and all the other standard stuff. My goal is long-term all-around configuration with generous multitasking capabilities.

    Ah, I'd wait for ZEN to come out, mainly in hopes that pricing will go down a bit. If Zen competes, great: if not, well you didn't loose anything anyways.

    That being said, INTEL is going to introduce eDram to the L3 caches of their chips, I believe sometime this year. That could offer some interesting performance increases since it works similar to HBM/HBM2. I feel like Skylake is just far too overpriced so I would be looking at the 5820K simply because you will never notice any single thread performance difference in real usage, but like Smiki said, you have the extra cores/threads and PCIe lanes.

    I thought that Zen comes out in 2017, but now I read on some sites that refers to APU.
    As for the eDRAM, I guess you mean the Kaby Lake in late September / early October? Probably will then also appear and AMD Zen. Likely after that prices begin to fall like you said.


    Everything that I told you does not apply to something that I will purchase in the period following 2-3 weeks, but a period of 3-4 months. I'm not sure I'll be able to wait that long ... but you're right - Zen does seem very alluring if it meets expectations (if they realize what they have promised, will have a single-core speed of Intel quad-core, in combination with annouced 8 cores and competitive price-).


    So far, I am most inclined towards the 5820-k, or 6800-k (if it came from mid-April to late May), but it will take some time to bring the final decision.
    I'll get back to you when I make the decision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    Zen does seem very alluring if it meets expectations (if they realize what they have promised, will have a single-core speed of Intel quad-core, in combination with annouced 8 cores and competitive price-).
    As one who stuck by AMD for far longer than was warranted by their product.....I might point out that it has been a long, long time since AMD has released anything that comes even remotely close to what they promise it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    As one who stuck by AMD for far longer than was warranted by their product.....I might point out that it has been a long, long time since AMD has released anything that comes even remotely close to what they promise it to be.
    That's good to know.

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    Sad but true I moved to the dark side for that very reason

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    Let us not forget that the AMD pompously announced their new Flagship (Bulldozer FX 8350), and we all know how he ended up in comparison to Intel K series (far behind i5 2500K).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Let us not forget that the AMD pompously announced their new Flagship (Bulldozer FX 8350), and we all know how he ended up in comparison to Intel K series (far behind i5 2500K).
    My point exactly. And that happens to be the moment that I gave up using them.

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    Sad but true I moved to the dark side for that very reason
    Same here. I still build AMD systems now and then, and just wind up shaking my head. Besides Intel CPUs being substantially faster, their chipsets (and associated features) are worlds ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Let us not forget that the AMD pompously announced their new Flagship (Bulldozer FX 8350), and we all know how he ended up in comparison to Intel K series (far behind i5 2500K).
    Before this PC I've had AMD 3000+ and I remember how fast it was at that time, looks those times ain't gonna come back any time sooner . From this time perspective that looks like it happened not in a different world, but galaxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    Before this PC I've had AMD 3000+ and I remember how fast it was at that time, looks those times ain't gonna come back any time sooner . From this time perspective that looks like it happened not in a different world, but galaxy.
    In a different galaxy.....and in DOS.

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    I will say this for AMD, I have fun overclocking them. My biggest reason for wanting Zen to be good is because AMD still solders their lids on, rather then that cheap paste crap INTEL uses. Second biggest one is that 6700K being over $400 on Newegg. That price is just way too jacked up for my tastes and it really disappoints me.

    On a side not, I'm going to be working a 9590 review soon with a Crosshair V Formula Z and a great Cooling set up for it. Overclocking it for fun. The cooling is a surprise though so keep an eye on the site. Oh, and it will be the second of two AIO reviews.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    In a different galaxy.....and in DOS.
    Maybe, but then I was a kid and he was good for me.

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    Default Re: Help choosing CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyline View Post
    Maybe, but then I was a kid and he was good for me.
    It was good for everyone. The old XXXX+ chips were positively awesome. The Durons beat up the Celerons really badly during that time period, as well. AMD had great stuff going on at that time.

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