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    Well.. For quite a few years now I have been 100% Anti- Intel. But my amd 6000 Just Is'nt cutting it for me anymore, I need an upgrade.

    I just looked into A ddr3 790i Setup but i dont feel like spending 650$+ on Mobo and memory alone.

    So Intel Fanbois Would this be a worthy setup in the intel world?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188024

    Or save a little cash if it wouldnt slow the system down with,

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188026


    Then to The CPU

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017


    Do you guys think this would be a good upgrade? Or should i just wait a little while and save up the money for A ddr3 setup?

    I am actually leaning toward the ddr3, just hoping someone will talk me out of it

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    what is your budget?
    ddr3 pricing is getting better but still expensive and the performance is not that significant better to justify the cost. You can get 4gig ddr2 for 1/3 the cost of ddr3.

    are there any reason why you pick nvidia chipset?...because you want to do sli setup?
    if you are planning to ocing then Intel chipset is doing better and also with the new ATI HD48xx grfx cards. You can do CF for better values & performance than nvidia now. This is all depends if you're really a hardcore gamer and nvidia fanboy or not?

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    I'm just indecisive. (spelling? lol) I am actually an AMD and Ati(RiP) Fan :P BUT I've realized that AMD doesnt rule either world. (cpu or gpu) I was blind when I built this rig and realise now I should have gone with an Intel cpu. BUT the moneys gone now

    Other people with the same Msi Ultra, are getting 13-14k in 3dmark 06 and i pull 11,700... kinda frustrating. I think my CPU may be the problem. Which is the main reason I am looking to upgrade.

    Do you think its worth it?

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    slight problem... my budget as of now is 0$ I just opened the mail and I got a ticket Damn cameras at intersections.. I was unaware they could ticket you for stopping 3 feet past the white line....

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    Quote Originally Posted by intex View Post
    slight problem... my budget as of now is 0$ I just opened the mail and I got a ticket Damn cameras at intersections.. I was unaware they could ticket you for stopping 3 feet past the white line....
    3' past the line with the rear wheels or front wheels?
    that's kinda harsh through, they just want to milk your money.

    Other people with the same Msi Ultra, are getting 13-14k in 3dmark 06 and i pull 11,700... kinda frustrating. I think my CPU may be the problem. Which is the main reason I am looking to upgrade.

    Do you think its worth it?
    probably not, just because you want to get higher score with 3DMARK?
    if your AMD rig can play games or other things with no probelm why bother. Even with the cheapest route, new mobo(nvidia) & CPU, it's probably cost you close to $500.

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    not taking into consideration your current rig or budget (of $0!), i would go for:

    - Q6600 GO or 9450 or E8400 (depends what you want)
    - P45 chipset (P5Q Deluxe) which will not allow for SLI, but will allow for X-fire
    - Sell the 8800 ultra and get a 4870 or 4850, perhaps even crossfire from the start and do it fast while the ultra still has good resale value.

    I'm not saying this is the only route or even most cost effective one, it just gets you upto date with good parts, that's all.

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    i have to agree with james on that one. but i would definatly go with the Q9450 rather than the others. heres why, the P45 boards can achive extremly high fsb clocks so why go for a higher multiplier when you can simply get the same clock and a better, higher fsb. mind you need pc2 8000 ram to do this well.

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    It might gives you high FSB but doesn't guarantee to get q9450 past 3.8ghz -4ghz stable for 24/7.

    Crossfire with p45 if you're planning to do, just remember this you will only get 8x8 lanes for PCIe when you doing CF. Want double bandwidth?...get x38 or x48.

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    I have tried to sell the ultra before but no one trusts that its not broken,. and also no one wants one with the waterblock they always want me to part it out... i paid 605 for card and 145 for block... I tried to sell it for 300$... i thought it would be gone to the first person interested haha.

    Altho I would definately consider that plan jameson, It would be nice to have an ati card again ( I still dont feel right calling them amd)

    Ahh new plan :]

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130179

    Is the 9450 worth the extra 125$ over a q6600? I know the 6600 is substantially faster than the amd 6000.

    with a crossfire board can you even run a single nvidia? i was thinking i could just run my ultra untill someone buys it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    It might gives you high FSB but doesn't guarantee to get q9450 past 3.8ghz -4ghz stable for 24/7.

    Crossfire with p45 if you're planning to do, just remember this you will only get 8x8 lanes for PCIe when you doing CF. Want double bandwidth?...get x38 or x48.
    Some of us were talking about ths in another thread recently. With the P45 being PCI-E 2.0 and thus 8x8 lanes having the same bandwdith as 16x16 on older boards, does it actually impact crossfire 4850 or 4870?

    Has any site tested this yet because i'm still playing catch up on new hardware here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intex View Post
    I have tried to sell the ultra before but no one trusts that its not broken,. and also no one wants one with the waterblock they always want me to part it out... i paid 605 for card and 145 for block... I tried to sell it for 300$... i thought it would be gone to the first person interested haha.

    Altho I would definately consider that plan jameson, It would be nice to have an ati card again ( I still dont feel right calling them amd)

    Ahh new plan :]

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130179

    Is the 9450 worth the extra 125$ over a q6600? I know the 6600 is substantially faster than the amd 6000.

    with a crossfire board can you even run a single nvidia? i was thinking i could just run my ultra untill someone buys it.
    can't you just put the card back with stock cooler and then try and sell the water block seperatly?

    I would have though there was still demand for an 8800 Ultra.

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    yes the Q9450 is definatly worth the extra 125$ its 45 nm so less power higher clocks less heat. and it has a 12 mb cache wich in itself is probly worth the 125$

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    but Detons sort of right on this, you have to take into account that getting a high FSB on the P45 (and that's the best overclocker of the bunch) is still a risk. You need to determine if that risk is something you're willing to take. Here's an example of why:

    - Q6600 is a 266 fsb chip so at default it's 10 x 266 (2.66ghz)
    - Q9450 is a 333 fsb chip so at default it's 8 x 333 (2.66ghz)

    To get to 3.6ghz, which isn't even high these days.

    - Q6600 needs 360 fsb
    - Q9450 needs 450 fsb

    So you'll need some good RAM paried with a Q9450 and some luck on the FSB side of things. Having said that, most people will be able to get well above a 450 MHz FSB on a P45 board, but getting to 500 is not so easy.

    ps, i would get a Q9450 because i don't mind taking the risk.

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    I've read it somewhere 45nm chips, they're doing better with DDR3 when Ocing, if I'm not mistake?

    About waterblocks; I always perfer the universal blocks over a dedicated blocks. It's more versatile, you can reuse them or just a mimor change the bracket adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson View Post
    Some of us were talking about ths in another thread recently. With the P45 being PCI-E 2.0 and thus 8x8 lanes having the same bandwdith as 16x16 on older boards, does it actually impact crossfire 4850 or 4870?

    Has any site tested this yet because i'm still playing catch up on new hardware here.
    Hey James,
    Here you go for your reading pleasure, P45 vs X48 with HD4850CF, test page results from Tweakttown.
    http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...sis/index.html

    X48 with 16x16 spanked P45 with 8x8

    if you're planning to go with single grfx card then go with P45 but if you're planning to upgrade to CF then go with X38 (at least) or X48. I think they are coming down in prices.

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